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Originally posted by TaylorR maybe a lot of you think rap is shit because you haven't dug deeper into like how the people who hate trance haven't dug into trance for themselves.

Most of the people here who hate trance probably know alot more about it than any of the ones who still like it.

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Originally posted by idoru It has no selling point to the masses. It doesn't really have lyrics with any meaningful point (seriously, name me one great tune with meaningful lyrics) and the majority of society isn't willing to stay at a concert that is more than two hours. Never has been mainstream, never will. Ever.

Oh no ? Isn't mainstream when it's all over the top charts ? Thought so.. Back in '98-'00 trance was mainstream, several trance acts where on "top of the pops" and there was a lot of trance in the top charts all over. So trance actually do have mainstream appeal, though it was mostly radio edits, which goes against the whole concept of trance.

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Originally posted by Lokhèn Oh no ? Isn't mainstream when it's all over the top charts ? Thought so.. Back in '98-'00 trance was mainstream, several trance acts where on "top of the pops" and there was a lot of trance in the top charts all over. So trance actually do have mainstream appeal, though it was mostly radio edits, which goes against the whole concept of trance.

You're speaking from European perspective.

AFAIK, rarely does an EDM tune make it to top 10 in charts in North America

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Project-K Most of the people here who hate trance probably know alot more about it than any of the ones who still like it.

lol.

true

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

Armin, Ferry, PvD and alikes are promoting some kind of trance quite good in US allready no?

I would not suprise if the style they represent will gain popularity.

My only fear is that mainstream music often gets exploited, (pardon me for saying) especially in the US.

The Hiphop culture and Rap music seems to be a good example of how watered out something like a that can get. Seems like many people are pissed about Rap and RnB, would you like it to happen with Trance aswell?
I don't think the mainstream Trance music would stand to be more watered out more than it has become allready, too many people would loose spirit if that happened.

Can't understand why some want Trance to become a part of the other mainstream buzz, it's still nice as it is right now.


In the first half of the 90s, there was a sense of profoundness in the music that appeared on mainstream radio and tv, (remember Enigma and similar projects) so i believe there can be a deeper meaning in mainstream music. Unfortunately i don't believe you can restore that attitude as it is today.

The real underground Trance (imo the best part of trance) will never reach a bigger audience because it's so totaly opposite of what most people like to hear in music.

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Originally posted by Project-K Most of the people here who hate trance probably know alot more about it than any of the ones who still like it.

i was talking about the people who don't listen to any EDM at all and absolutely despise it
but im gonna have to agree with what you said

This question has been asked way too many times on this forum. It just ain't happening in a long time. There's too many Pop, Hip Hop, R&B and Rock/Alternative artists out there constantly coming out with so called "hit" songs and I don't see Trance reaching the top of the Billboard charts where it would be recognized and purchased by enough consumers to reach a "Mainstream" level.

For trance to become popular in the US it'll have to change a number of different things to what it is now, even in it's current form of having a multitude of sub-genres.

1: Duration, cut it down to 3-5minutes for radio and TV play, it's not so much a case of the listeners attention span, but for the simple fact it's easier to program a set of tracks for diversity.

2: Structure, base the music around a vocal set, rather than the convention of having vocals as a supporting role as mostly just a chorus. It is very uncommon for instrumental based music to be popular from sheer airplay alone, for lots of different reasons, but mostly just simply because people like it.

3: Marketing, in order to reach a wider audience it'll have to be kicked aggressively into the mainstream where they can simply not avoid it. Much like how rap came to be in it's current form (for better or worse) with it's image promotion to have a greater focus than the actual content.

I don't think the vast majority of any of the trance genre really fits into the above 3 categories, unlike the popular DJ's that spin it who really do seem to be quite influential and well known outside the of the club scene. Not quite to the point where they're household names like Frank Sinatra, Elvis, Beetles, Led Zep or the Rolling Stones. But they are a lot more commonly known now than say back in the 90's. In Europe in that regard, it's not really that much different.

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Originally posted by TaylorR maybe a lot of you think rap is shit because you haven't dug deeper into like how the people who hate trance haven't dug into trance for themselves.

I've listened to quite a lot and really haven't found any rap that hasn't been complete shit in years

Non-rap EDM will become more popular in the U.S. when homophobia becomes less popular. Right now a ridiculous number of people here immediately think "gay music" when they think of dance music. The disco backlash is alive and well. Rap, although a form of EDM, has an irregular beat, slower tempo, and (especially) a machismo that keeps it from being associated with disco and (thus) classed as "gay music" in the popular consciousness.

Why do you want trance or any kind of electronic music to become mainstream? Why do you care? Let everyone listen to whatever they want to listen to, including you. Does trance becoming mainstream make it sound any better? Any different? Would it make you happier to be sick of hearing Adagio for Strings every time you turned on the radio instead of Smack That by Eminem and Akon? Do you feel you need to impose your good taste on America because what you listen to is better than what they listen to?

Mainstream rap might be crappy, but that doesn't mean the genre at large is crappy, it just means that what you hear on the radio is. Just like Castles in the Sky by Ian van Dahl and Better Off Alone by Alice Deejay. Why judge an entire genre based on two piss-poor examples?

Listen to what you like because you like it, not because it is or isn't popular.