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Originally posted by Spirit5 And that's my point as well. People like MrJiveBoJingles refuses to admit he just doesn't like epic trance, so he complains about Static Blue's music. It's the same with other people.

It appears that we have the same main outlook. But the part I was arguing was that trance is not changing/being innovated/evolving. Of course it is, or else trance wouldn't sound any different than it did in 92.

That's because the technology changed in the 90s. The technology now is all about emulating old sounds and making it easy for your grandmother to make a supersaw. all dance music is guilty of fetishizing classic sounds

With technology comes further innovation... and in some cases, repetition... but I still tend to think that trance would still sound different than it did in 92 even if there was a freeze on technology since then.

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Originally posted by nefardec I'm not criticizing you personally, and I don't want to, so please calm down. Go listen to some chicane or something . If you read my post calmly before overreacting and quoting it you would see that I question even my own taste in music. I have mixes from a few years back with armand van helden and thrillseekers in them... what's important is that i don't anymore

I know your not criticizing and I'm not over-reacting. All I'm saying is that you should be able to like a certain style of music or anything you liked in the past, and still move on to other things. I don't understand why some people just turn their backs on it, but can't embrace other styles as well as still appreciate nostalgia or even dig to find a few new gems. I found Lemon & Einar K's "Hope" and that was on accident, on Beatport, and it's one of my most favorite trance tunes in years.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 All I'm saying is that you should be able to like a certain style of music or anything you liked in the past, and still move on to other things.

Agreed... I like music in general, I've never been one to pigeonhole myself into one particular style. People would probably have a good laugh if they went through my CD collection.

"Killswitch Engage.... James Zabiela... Zao... Chicane... Metallica... Snoop Dogg... wtf??"

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Originally posted by Spirit5 And that's my point as well. People like MrJiveBoJingles refuses to admit he just doesn't like epic trance, so he complains about Static Blue's music. It's the same with other people.

The subjective part is that I'm tired of it. The objective part of the matter is that this kind of music really does use all the same sounds in almost exactly the same way.

I'm trying to produce a bit myself, and I honestly can't see how it would be enjoyable to craft ten different versions of the same ten or so sounds ("aah" choir, saw pad, saw lead, etc.) and use them in the exact same kind of song structure again and again. Have you ever tried to produce or do anything artistic? If so, do you understand how somebody could enjoy doing that?

Maybe somebody could explain that to me, because I find it really baffling.

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Originally posted by david.michael Agreed... I like music in general, I've never been one to pigeonhole myself into one particular style. People would probably have a good laugh if they went through my CD collection. "Killswitch Engage.... James Zabiela... Zao... Chicane... Metallica... Snoop Dogg... wtf??"

Yeah i'm not as ecletic as that but I tend to gravitate towards any music which is 1. Deep/Emotional 2. Ethereal/Other-Worldly 3. Melodic or harmonic.

Basically anything from Sarah McLachlan, to Enya, to Enigma, to Boards of Canada, Ulrich Schnauss, Amethystium, Deep Forest, Royksopp, Zero 7, Air, Delerium, old Tiesto, Armin van Buuren, Oakenfold and Ferry Corsten mixed CDs (and some new), Paul van Dyk and BT CDs, Sasha and Digweed CDs (and other prog mixed CDs), Pink Floyd albums (though I only own the greatest hits and Dark Side of the Moon), and then some old Metallica CDs, Brian McKnight, Creed, Godsmack and some stuff like that.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The subjective part is that I'm tired of it. The objective part of the matter is that this kind of music really does use all the same sounds in almost exactly the same way. I'm trying to produce a bit myself, and I honestly can't see how it would be enjoyable to craft ten different versions of the same ten or so sounds ("aah" choir, saw pad, saw lead, etc.) and use them in the exact same kind of song structure again and again. Have you ever tried to produce or do anything artistic? If so, do you understand how somebody could enjoy doing that? Maybe somebody could explain that to me, because I find it really baffling.

I agree, it is repetitive and formulaic. But if your complaining about the build up, breakdown formula...that's what I don't understand cause that's epic trance for ya. Nothing to complain about there because that's what it is. But it is true that there is some epic trance out there that does sound all alike and not much variety. To me, it had more variety in the past and there is still "some" out there that are good. To me, it's the sounds being over-used, the presets or whatever, not the formula in and of itself. I am not as huge of a fan of the formula either anymore, but like I've said..it is what it is.

This is kinda like people saying "god I'm tired of all the screaming and crunchy, over-driven loud guitars in hardcore rock... I wish they would use acoustic guitars and slow the tempo down a little bit, and sing in a gentle falsetto voice and lay off the double-bass pedal," but suddenly you find yourself listening to emo or soft rock. A genre is what it is because of its elements.

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Originally posted by david.michael But my point is, this happens, and people still complain. People started adding buzzy basslines to trance, so-called "electro"-trance was born, and people bitched. People started adding guitar to trance tracks, people called it fluffy and bitched. People started using chopped vocals for melodies, everyone said "god I'm getting tired of this Andy Moor sound" and bitched. People started slowing their tracks down and making them housier... progressive house was born (so it's no longer "trance"), and vice versa. Change the rhythm of the kick drum, now it's called "breaks". People aren't happy with the genre, so they change it to something else...then they complain that there isn't any good music in their genre, when what they need to do is just admit that they don't care for their genre anymore.

Just because an element is changed doesn't mean the production is inspired. Trance can add ukeleles and hardcore stabs, but it's not going anywhere until people put talent and heart into it again.

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Maybe somebody could explain that to me, because I find it really baffling.