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Originally posted by nefardec fixed also I disagree with you. The "underground" consists of more than clubs - it's people with a common worldview who talk about and love the music as well. and the underground has always been cliquey. that's like a key ingredient

That's fine and dandy but the elitist attitude of underground, of being exclusive..conforming (yet talks about non-conforming to the "mainstream") is what irks me. It's like these kids who listen to punk music and dress all punk yet call themselves "non-conformists" because they don't want to conform to the "preppies"....when people should just be themselves and not try to conform to a specific group or what not. I haven't viewed trance as being this way, only specific styles that seem to attract people from sub-cultural groups (psy with ravers/hippie types, hardstyle with raver/metal head types, not stereotyping, just saying that they attract these types).

I don't completely think "mainstream", I don't really like "mainstream" music but all I am arguing is that things including music..should be inclusive, people of all types should be able to enjoy it and it should be more "universal". I've always thought of trance this way, and some other forms of EDM. As being mostly instrumental, it speaks to people no matter what language they speak. Almost like classical music, or jazz. You'll find jazz music or influences all over the world. Also hip hop and rock as well. It blends in with the culture/langauge...it's not an exclusive thing where only a certain city, a certain group of people...enjoy it.

Last edited by Spirit5 on Aug-12-2007 at 03:07

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Stuff like turning trance events into "concerts," compilations with DJs' heads on them, t-shirts, making fans into a "market," intense focus on individual big-hit tracks, etc. Good or bad?

i think you meant commercialization of trance.

as a whole, i think it is mixed bag because:

1)commercialization leads (or can lead) to the death of the genre.

- commercialization arises from standardization which signals the death of innovation in the area.

2) spawn other genres down the line

- others may get inspired by the music and may create something entirely new or spinoff something similar that eventually evolves into something not even resembling it's origin.

another thought.. commercial trance is no doubt responsible for bringing alot of new faces into EDM who have since moved on to explore other subgenres & develop a more refined taste. good thing?


"It's not something I listen to myself, but it's not like I'm really bothered by it because, if anything, it helps introduce the things that I'm doing to people who probably wouldn't notice them otherwise. Trance has that easily digestible format that people from the suburbs or whatever can understand, and I think that maybe after listening to trance and other more commercial forms of music, they might start to appreciate other forms of electronic music like house and techno. It's basically a good thing. Trance is a gateway music."
--Cajmere/Green Velvet

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Do you even know what I am into?

Yes, because you've told us, many many countless times, in tedious, excruciatingly long myopic posts that make our eyes glaze over halfway through reading them.

Your problem isn't that you listen to euro disney cheese Mctrance, it's that you don't want to be associated with the mainstream fodder who listen to euro disney cheese Mctrance because to do so would be a tragic intrusion on your identity. You can argue that there is a stark division between the cheese crap you like and the cheese crap that's on the radio, but at the end of the day this division is illusory, because it's still all just cheese crap.

And before you reach for your keyboard to reply with some meandering text diarrhea that says nothing, keep in mind: No one is going to read it. And I will post a TLDR in retort.

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Originally posted by isoterra in essence yes, but there's always a middle ground.

How could there possibly be a middle ground? Once you compromise your sound, you're no longer an artist.

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Originally posted by Ishkur ... meandering text diarrhea ...

that just made my day

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Originally posted by distant How could there possibly be a middle ground? Once you compromise your sound, you're no longer an artist.

because an artist who chooses to work within the restraints of remaining accessible is still an artist

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Originally posted by isoterra restraints

There we go.

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Originally posted by distant There we go.

the point still stands. i don't see how an artist who ignores those boundaries automatically deserves more credit than one who intentionally works within them, providing they both excel at what they do..

Last edited by isoterra on Aug-12-2007 at 00:30

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Originally posted by Spirit5 That's fine and dandy but the elitist attitude of underground, of being exclusive..conforming (yet talks about non-conforming to the "mainstream") is what irks me. It's like these kids who listen to punk music and dress all punk yet call themselves "non-conformists" because they don't want to conform to the "preppies"....when people should just be themselves and not try to conform to a specific group or what not. I haven't viewed trance as being this way, only specific styles that seem to attract people from sub-cultural groups (psy with ravers/hippie types, hardstyle with raver/metal head types, not stereotyping, just saying that they attract these types). I don't completely think "mainstream", I don't really like "mainstream" music but all I am arguing is that things including music..should be inclusive, people of all types should be able to enjoy it and it should be more "universal". I've always thought of trance this way, and some other forms of EDM. As being mostly instrumental, it speaks to people no matter what language they speak. Almost like classical music, or jazz. You'll find jazz music or influences all over the world. Also hip hop and rock as well. It blends in with the culture/langauge...it's not an exclusive thing where only a certain city, a certain group of people...enjoy it.

my post is OT but i agree with what you said in this post. those anti-conformist conformist kids sure are annoying.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Your problem isn't that you listen to euro disney cheese Mctrance, it's that you don't want to be associated with the mainstream fodder who listen to euro disney cheese Mctrance because to do so would be a tragic intrusion on your identity. You can argue that there is a stark division between the cheese crap you like and the cheese crap that's on the radio, but at the end of the day this division is illusory, because it's still all just cheese crap.

If all I like is cheese then what do you suggest I listen to? What are your recommendations instead of your insults? For someone who likes melodic electronic music that is not cheesy by your definition? Instead of insulting me and others..why don't you just recommend something different..ie not cheesy.