Its called engineering guys. You have a budget, a scope, and a list of objectives. Expecting any OS to be perfect is just stupid.

As for drivers, that is a joint partnership. MS has to create an environment for peripherals manufacturers to develop drivers. If MS makes it hard for the manufacturers to create drivers its MS's fault; but if the environment exists, and manufacturers are slow to react, then its their fault.

As with any technology, virtual or not, early adopters always pay a hefty price. This should not be a surprise.

Now if you want to continue this idiotic argument, carry it to the other Vista thread, which was started last year.

If you actually want to give Cale some advice, then do it.

I vote we just give Caleson advice.

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BTW Cale, that's a serious machine with some serious programs.

How come your getting those for?
Just curious.

Your not "Fucking around" as we like to say.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I'm building this machine to run AutoCAD 2008, AutoCAD Architecture 2008, and Autodesk VIZ. It'll be my main desktop machine for pissing around, as well. Proposed specs: Antec P182 case Seasonic 620w PSU Intel Xeon X3220 (quad core, 2.4GHz, SLACR/G0 stepping if I'm lucky, the 3120s are all G0s but 3220s aren't all, just yet) Asus P5M2/SAS mobo 4GB 800MHz Corsair XMS2 Dominator memory (CAS latencies 4-4-4-12) 500GB Seagate SATA drive 150GB Western Digital Raptor 10K sexdrive (mmmmmm) PNY Quadro FX560 128MB video PCI-E video card some piece of shit soundcard because I don't care that much Vista Ultimate 64-bit Perhaps instead of the Raptor, I'd grab another 500GB Barracuda and a PCI RAID card and run RAID-0? Or a bunch of 320s and run RAID-5... Maybe step up to some 1066MHZ RAM? Maybe I could skip the Quadro and run an 8800GTX 320MB? Thoughts? I believe these all to be pretty cream-of-the-crop components.

In my opinion you have built an amazing machine. Great processor, dun care much about the case but good for you if you like it, drives are great but I think for the type of programs you're running...you need more RAM...lots of RAM. AutoCad takes up so much out of the processor....video card seems good...Vista or XP ...even though Vista is getting bad reviews, I would still suggest to go with Vista. Good luck with the compatibility issues but Vista is the way ahead in terms of technology. + it definitely has a better feel than XP. Finally, monitors :-)....with a computer like that, it is a shame to get a monitor smaller than 23''. Cale, you are quite the computer nerd...

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Originally posted by Orko Its called engineering guys. You have a budget, a scope, and a list of objectives. Expecting any OS to be perfect is just stupid. As for drivers, that is a joint partnership. MS has to create an environment for peripherals manufacturers to develop drivers. If MS makes it hard for the manufacturers to create drivers its MS's fault; but if the environment exists, and manufacturers are slow to react, then its their fault. As with any technology, virtual or not, early adopters always pay a hefty price. This should not be a surprise. Now if you want to continue this idiotic argument, carry it to the other Vista thread, which was started last year. If you actually want to give Cale some advice, then do it.

Thank you!

Anyways, you have the system spec'd out pretty nicely. I don't know if I'd pay the premiums on the quad-core CPUs, and 64-bit OS is kind of a waste unless you're running an app that is specific to the architecture. I haven't done any recent reading on Autodesk products, but from what I can recall, no native 64 bit software...
Even though everyone is a proponent of RAID, IMO I'd stick with your setup. Why? Dunno, just personal preference I suppose. I just built a machine recently, and went with segragated OS and app physical drives.
Also, nothing wrong with Vista. There are quirks, like with any other brand new OS. The drastic API changes forced many manufacturers to completely rewrite system drivers, thus a lot of ppl couldn't piggyback off their existing architecture and didn't meet the deadline for release. Calling Vista shit cuz you couldn't get a niche (yes it IS a niche market) sound card to work...well...
Additionally, I'd definitely go for a better video card. Even though the 8800gts (the 320mb is the gts), I'd go for the full blown GTX. Its a bit more expensive, but worth it. You're looking at almost 30%
of a performance gap between the two.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Barracuda

lol. i got one for the name.

and i can sing along everytime i use it. "barracuda, cha cha cha!"

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess lol. i got one for the name. and i can sing along everytime i use it. "barracuda, cha cha cha!"

I love your StereoPrincess-ness!

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 ...

You're a CAD machine!!!

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On a serious note...

I did CAD drawings for a summer (HVAC systems and front facades of buildings) and the computers you're going to work on professionally are going to be at least a year or two old.

Don't load your machine with advanced cutting edge gear because you'll get too familiar with top features and then have to "regress" when you finally end up working (consider using a version or two under what the current is).

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So after a bit more research, seems the Xeon X3220s aren't showing up in anybody's hands with G0 steppings, so I'm just going to go with a Core 2 Quad Q6600 - which means I don't need that ridiculous motherboard anymore to accomodate a Xeon.

And, because Core 2 chips see their biggest increases in performance when memory and FSB are at a 1:1 ratio, I'll scale back to 800MHz memory... OCZ Platinum XTC Rev.2 PC2-6400 CL4-4-4-15. I'd prefer Crucial Ballistix, but for $80 less, and the minimum RAS active time is only 3 cycles slower than the Ballstix, I'll go with OCZ.

Then I played the Bioshock demo the other day, and I forgot what a Quadro was.

So then:
Antec P182 case
Seasonic 620w PSU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme HSF with a 120mm Yate Loon
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L motherboard
2GC OCZ Platinum XTC Rev.2 PC2-6400 RAM
500GB Seagate SATA hard disk
eVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320MB

Gonna run 8x400 on the multiplier and FSB to reach at 3200MHz, thus keeping the FSB and RAM at the desired 1:1 ratio.

Cale, I consider myself pretty nerdy in the realm of computers (although not hardware), and even I did not understand about half of what you just said. Pr0p5.

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