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Originally posted by starboy lol internet reputation, i need to hurry and grab my internet peers to back me on this one

*waits for stargirl to post*

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 OMG you people are putting WAAAAAAY too much thought into harmonic mixing. This has become a fad and it's out of control. I know LOTS of really, REALLY great local DJ's who don't "mix in key" by the formula and their mixes are amazing. It's tool, not a rule. Hey that rhymes.

whats your fucking point? its a tool. its a tool i use coz uplifting trance sounds like shit if its out of key. why do you give a fuck what others are doing?

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People make music in keys. Not everyone does, but a ton of people do. That's just what we have to work with as DJs. As for your not worrying about any of this superfluous harmonic mixing bullshit, can you link me to one of your mixes of music in the key of good music? I tried searching DJ Promotion but I couldn't.

I think you're turning a lot of people off with your 'i'm too good for keys, harmonic mixing is typical' elitism

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Oh come now... sure it's a GREAT tool and it's nothing new... but it's a "fad" because now those that can't be bothered to learn anything about music theory can pump their tunes through a program and assume that it'll make them a good DJ. I've never noticed any trends in the keys of tracks I play. I only buy and play "good" music. Is that a key?

no, the lazy asses throw their shit in mixed in key or whatever. don't lump all the djs that actually have musical experience in with the idiots, dude.

the thread starter asked-

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Originally posted by lücid does anyone else have any favorite keys?

so quit your bitching. it's similar to saying "do you like mozart's 5th in the key of C? or in the key of B?" some people like different keys and/or pitches, man.

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and furthermore you imply that every dj throws their tunes in a piece of software that does all the work for them, which is bullshit. not everyone uses that faulty-ass +/- % method to key their tracks. still using my ears myself.

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster i've been listening to 12-tonal composition and it absolutely messes with your emotions...i'll soon be applying this technique to my productions for effect...as for my favorite keys C#m, Gm and A major. as far as what Adam is saying, I don't find it hard to believe that as we open up our perception through producing or other means we become borderline synaesthetes. When you think about it, getting into that mode where your left and right cerebral hemispheres are working at the same time all kinds of aural phenomenon can take place (and in fact there have been various threads in the production forum about such things). personally I find that in the past year or so, I've been gradually making associations between tones, frequencies, chords and keys with tactile feelings, kinesthetics, emotions and bizzare associations that I cannot even explain that I feel is a direct result of really getting INTO sound itself. as a sound sculpturist i think we have an appreciation for the depth of sound as it is. an example of this is the other day i was conversing with my flatmate and he started to respond to me...but in place of hearing the words filtered and formulated and identified by my brain, i heard the sound as it truly is, just a matter of noise, unfiltered by perception and I had to ask him to repeat himself. this could just be me tripping out but im making my point.

This post was rather pretentious.

From this post I'd guess you were once a rich wine tester by profession

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Originally posted by nefardec Ryan, People make music in keys. Not everyone does, but a ton of people do. That's just what we have to work with as DJs.

A small question here mate.
I'm not that well versed in the subject of keys, but I've begun reading a lot about it in order to improve production and maybe when I incorporate it into my mixes, then dj';ing as well.

You're saying every producer does not produce in key? I understand that it is well possible to make great tunes even out of key, but as a producer, why would you not stick to a proper method?

As a DJ, when people say harmonic mixing, is it:
1. To mix songs in key
2. To mix songs in compatible keys?
3. Both?
4. Best ways to find keys of songs as I understand are:?
a. By trained ear
b. Software
c. Trying to play the piano manually

That sound about right?
Just a few doubts I'd like cleared

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Originally posted by smakmagik A small question here mate. I'm not that well versed in the subject of keys, but I've begun reading a lot about it in order to improve production and maybe when I incorporate it into my mixes, then dj';ing as well. You're saying every producer does not produce in key? I understand that it is well possible to make great tunes even out of key, but as a producer, why would you not stick to a proper method? As a DJ, when people say harmonic mixing, is it: 1. To mix songs in key 2. To mix songs in compatible keys? 3. Both? 4. Best ways to find keys of songs as I understand are:? a. By trained ear b. Software c. Trying to play the piano manually That sound about right? Just a few doubts I'd like cleared

some musicians create music out of key on purpose. jazz improvisationalists come to mind immediately.

all music is created in one key or another, or in some cases, multiple keys at different moments (though it's definitely not common in most forms of trance and house and therefore you shouldn't even really think about that- mixing what we mix, the artist RARELY produces "outside the box" so to speak). it depends, it's part of being creative. if it sounds "out of key" it's usually just a different scale you're not familiar with, or perhaps its just as simple as the musician wanting to augment or diminish a certain scale degree in their melody, just for the fuck of it. see "being creative" again.

option 3) is the correct answer. option a) in conjunction with something like option c) is the best, imo. use software if you're lazy or talentless.

smakmagik - most people do produce in a key

i put a "some do not" as a disclaimer because I imagined someone posting something like "you're wrong, nefardec, XXX producer makes tracks in no key at all or changing keys, etc"



I said nothing remotely similar to "every producer does not produce in keys"

i don't see how you misinterpreted my post


simply put: the vast majority of people make dance music in a specific key. i'm sure you could find a handful examples that don't follow rules of western tonal theory

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all music is created in one key or another, or in some cases, multiple keys at different moments (though it's definitely not common in most forms of trance and house and therefore you shouldn't even really think about that- mixing what we mix, the artist RARELY produces "outside the box" so to speak). it depends, it's part of being creative. if it sounds "out of key" it's usually just a different scale you're not familiar with, or perhaps its just as simple as the musician wanting to augment or diminish a certain scale degree in their melody, just for the fuck of it. see "being creative" again.

Yup, there is no such thing as producing a song that doesn't follow a key or keys... There are plenty of combinations in our standard/bland western style of music... plus all the chromatic alterations that allow for eastern styles, blues, jazz, whatever that to produce a song that "wasnt in key" is practically impossible.

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option 3) is the correct answer. option a) in conjunction with something like option c) is the best, imo. use software if you're lazy or talentless.

As far as software, I personally think its easier just to be lazy and dump it in software, and if you find an error later, take out your keyboard and find it out... I'm not gonna be arsed to sit through what is now a 2000+ (all legal) mp3 collection... it would take weeks of consecutivelly sitting behind my keyboard slamming out chords never eating or sleeping... f*ck that.

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Originally posted by ClearVision As far as software, I personally think its easier just to be lazy and dump it in software, and if you find an error later, take out your keyboard and find it out... I'm not gonna be arsed to sit through what is now a 2000+ (all legal) mp3 collection... it would take weeks of consecutivelly sitting behind my keyboard slamming out chords never eating or sleeping... f*ck that.

In general, I agree completely. More often than not I'll know as soon as I try to mix a record that it's in the wrong key, and when that happens, I'll key it with a guitar or some VST keyboard - but finding the time to key up to a couple hundred tracks each month or so by hand is just not going to happen.

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