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Originally posted by Trancer-X It's funny but the FBI had initially reported that they believed that an explosives-laden van was what brought the towers down. It's always interesting to see how stories changes to accommodate the facts but even more interesting to watch how in these conspiracies, the facts change to accommodate the story.

what a load of nonsense. honestly, youre getting ridiculous. you see evil everywhere.

it really does border on the paranoia.

FACT 1: crazy and chaotic environments, such as planes crashing into buildings and buildings falling down create much misinformation.
FACT 2: those same environments breed inconsistencies
FACT 3: something said or seen or heard may not accurately reflect the "real" story

FACT 4: conspiracy theories breed in such environments, and rely too much on "information" gleaned from 1,2,3

i mean, honestly. you claim theres this big conspiracy, with FBI involvement, and then point at the FBI stating there could have been explosives used. if there were clandestine explosives and the FBI knew about them, they'd just tell the world about it of course.

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Go ahead and stick to trying to debunk the CD theory. I'm sure trying to debunk something for which they destroyed most of the evidence about is going to be a lot easier of a task than trying to refute all of the eyewitnesses who saw and heard much to the contrary.

whatever man. the evidence is in the science and the numerous reasons why the CD theory is simply impossible. anyone that knows anything about explosives, how they work and what they look like knows this.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X It's funny but the FBI had initially reported that they believed that an explosives-laden van was what brought the towers down. It's always interesting to see how stories changes to accommodate the facts but even more interesting to watch how in these conspiracies, the facts change to accommodate the story. Go ahead and stick to trying to debunk the CD theory. I'm sure trying to debunk something for which they destroyed most of the evidence about is going to be a lot easier of a task than trying to refute all of the eyewitnesses who saw and heard much to the contrary.

there is nothing funny or interesting about not being able to come close to tying everthing you claim into one coherent argument, like pkcRAISTLIN has repeatedly challenged.

if you consistently find yourself unable to undertake his simple academic challenge, without getting too personal about it, what it has become now is you and others like you dancing around with words and innuendo your failure to admit you are wrong. simple as that.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what a load of nonsense. honestly, youre getting ridiculous. you see evil everywhere.

Maybe it was nonsense. Maybe the mainstream media was lying to us again.

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Originally posted by Q5echo there is nothing funny or interesting about not being able to come close to tying everthing you claim into one coherent argument, like pkcRAISTLIN has repeatedly challenged. if you consistently find yourself unable to undertake his simple academic challenge, without getting too personal about it, what it has become now is you and others like you dancing around with words and innuendo your failure to admit you are wrong. simple as that.

Q, with all due respect, you're hardly one to talk. I don't think that you've presented anyone with an original or noteworthy idea for as long as you've been on this site, let alone given anyone a complete analysis of anything.

To tie all of this into one huge coherent argument would require some serious time and dedication (and not to mention, $$$). It's too bad that nobody's funding it because I would love to take it on as would hundreds of scholars who also don't believe in the governments "official" conspiracy theory.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X To tie all of this into one huge coherent argument would require some serious time and dedication (and not to mention, $$$). It's too bad that nobody's funding it because I would love to take it on as would hundreds of scholars who also don't believe in the governments "official" conspiracy theory.

then your assumptions all fail.

you cant (logically) point at something and say "govt conspiracy!" unless you explain how it IS actually a conspiracy.

it's lazy and completely disingenuous to be arguing that the supposed 9/11 inconsistencies and holes equate with a conspiracy if you have no rational explanation for how they are related. the fact that no one in the truth movement has done so is very telling imo.

im not asking for a blow by blow account, just a rational and compelling joining of major inconsistencies, and how these inconsistencies "really" occured.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN then your assumptions all fail. you cant (logically) point at something and say "govt conspiracy!" unless you explain how it IS actually a conspiracy. it's lazy and completely disingenuous to be arguing that the supposed 9/11 inconsistencies and holes equate with a conspiracy if you have no rational explanation for how they are related. the fact that no one in the truth movement has done so is very telling imo. im not asking for a blow by blow account, just a rational and compelling joining of major inconsistencies, and how these inconsistencies "really" occured.

As is very evident to even the most skillful of you shills, they're conspiring to keep the truth from us. That's enough for me.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X As is very evident to even the most skillful of you shills, they're conspiring to keep the truth from us. That's enough for me.

that's a cop out and you know it. there are any number of reasons a government as shit as your present one wants to keep things secret. without a finely-made tapestry that has plausible reasoning you're merely playing 1000 different games of dont-connect-the-dots.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Q, with all due respect, you're hardly one to talk. I don't think that you've presented anyone with an original or noteworthy idea for as long as you've been on this site, let alone given anyone a complete analysis of anything.

i'm not the one usually out on a limb though. you are. consistantly.

enough about me, i'm a clueless moron. what about the grand conspiracy?

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To tie all of this into one huge coherent argument would require some serious time and dedication (and not to mention, $$$). It's too bad that nobody's funding it because I would love to take it on as would hundreds of scholars who also don't believe in the governments "official" conspiracy theory.

so cop out? with all due respect of course.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, what in the world is a trusted media source?

An oxymoron...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r An oxymoron...

Holy shite dude! Did we just agree on something...

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Not to say that you're one because I obviously don't know you well enough to say one way or the other, but there are a lot of overeducated idiots in this world who know a whole lot only about very little. As ironic as it might sound, many of them are called "professionals."

I was taking the piss (on myself) and joking about that.

It's the selective skepticism that I find so amusing.

Any good conspiracy consists of at least two lies: the lie to fool your friends, and the lie to fool your enemies. Even if there is a conspiracy, what CT advocates believe is far more likely the latter of those two than anything resembling the "truth."