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Originally posted by Krypton country's like Cuba, which compares little in commodity power to the Saudi's, get embargoed specifically because of "human rights". China too. It's hypocritical. We need to treat all nations the same. How we should treat them is in a spirit of peace. Not embargoes, wars, and coup attempts..

Castro is a piece of shit and he deserves an embargo. Castro sent that country down the shitter for his own narrow reasons.

learn your history. we didn't just one day up and say "hey guys, lets embargo the Cubans because we're big ugly Amerikkkans!"

the reasons for the embargo began when their new governmwent systematically siezed all US assets that had been there for decades.
Castro siezed EVERYTHING for his own. we didn't start banning imports until 1960.

the missle crisis and his love for the Soviets didn't help either.

again, get some perspective

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Originally posted by Q5echo protecting all of the oil over there and it's access is in the world's best interest.

You mean CONTROLLING the oil over there is in the "world's" best interest

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Originally posted by CHRles I'm sure they were chanting Beatles songs like "Give Peace A Chance" and "All We Need Is Love" when they were storming the US embassy in Tehran, or when terrorists seized control of those 4 American airplanes on 9/11.

The US embassy deserved to be stormed.. Read the following and ask yourself, how would you react if a foreign country did this to your president from an embassy in washington?

"""From 1952-53, Iran's democratically elected nationalist Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq began a period of rapid power consolidation, which led the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to a brief exile and then into power again. Much of the events of 1952 were started by Mossadeq’s nationalization of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, now British Petroleum. Established by the British in the early 20th century, an agreement had been made to share profits (85% British-15% Iran), but the company withheld their financial records from the Iranian government. Due to alleged profit monopolization by the Anglo-Iranian Oil company, the Iranian Parliament had unanimously agreed to nationalize its holding of, what was at the time, the British Empire’s largest company.

The United States and Britain, through a now-admitted covert operation of the CIA called Operation Ajax, conducted from the US Embassy in Tehran, helped organize protests to overthrow Moussadeq and return the Shah to Iran. The operation failed and the Shah fled to Italy. After a second successful operation he returned from his brief exile. Iran's fledgling attempts at democracy quickly descended into dictatorship, as the Shah dismantled the constitutional limitations on his office and began to rule as an absolute monarch.

During his reign, the Shah received significant American support, frequently making state visits to the White House and earning praise from numerous American Presidents. The Shah's close ties to Washington and his bold agenda of rapidly Westernizing Iran soon began to infuriate certain segments of the Iranian population, especially the hardline Islamic conservatives. Because of their eventual ascension to power during the 1979 Revolution, Operation Ajax is considered as one of the worst CIA "blowbacks" ever."""
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Now about peace.

"""Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencie""" -Thomas Jefferson
http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres16.html

If we conduct ourselves in the manner real republicans, the old skool republicans like thomas jefferson, nobody would want to attack or act out in hatred towards us.

Half the country doesn't even believe 911 was real. And we are in some of the most precipitous times right now because of messes we get into. When are people like you going to wake up and realize this isn't the vision our founding fathers had for our nation. WAKE UP!

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Originally posted by CHRles I'm sure they were chanting Beatles songs like "Give Peace A Chance" and "All We Need Is Love" when they were storming the US embassy in Tehran, or when terrorists seized control of those 4 American airplanes on 9/11.

You are a piece of shit.

There were candle light vigils lit mourning the americans that lost their lives in NYC after 9/11 in Tehran.

Get Bush's fist out of your ass..

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Originally posted by Cyrus King You mean CONTROLLING the oil over there is in the "world's" best interest

How does the American government "CONTROL" the oil?

it sounds super cool, but really...how?

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Originally posted by Q5echo How does the American government "CONTROL" the oil? it sounds super cool, but really...how?

I know you're smarter than that.

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Originally posted by Q5echo Castro is a piece of shit and he deserves an embargo. learn your history. we didn't just one day up and say "lets embargo the Cubans!" the reasons for the embargo began when their new governmwent systematically siezed US assets that had been there for decades Castro siezed EVERYTHING for his own. we didn't start banning imports until 1960. the missle crisis and his love for the Soviets didn't help either. again, get some perspective

You learn what self-determination really means. You support so strongly our commercial interests even when our interests collide with other nations on their territory. Please inform yourself on the philosophy of our founding fathers, international law, and then ask yourself why we have forsaken these principles. Everything ain't hunky dory in America, people need to wake the fuck up..

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Originally posted by Krypton The Shah's close ties to Washington and his bold agenda of rapidly Westernizing Iran soon began to infuriate certain segments of the Iranian population, especially the hardline Islamic conservatives.

There you have it.
BTW, the Americans who were at the US embassy in 1979 didn't deserve to be treated the way they were.
Furthermore, if you're going to start using wikipedia as a source then get ready cuz I've got some links that will blow your mind.
you keep talking about the Palestinian cause. You keep talking about how the Middle East doesnt need the US. I've got overwhelming proof that says it does, and I'd be happy to share that with you.

One last thing, where on earth did you come up with the notion that only half of all Americans believe 9/11 was real????

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Originally posted by Cyrus King There were candle light vigils lit mourning the americans that lost their lives in NYC after 9/11 in Tehran. Get Bush's fist out of your ass..

WTF does Bush have to do with all of this? It was an attack on America not on Bush. Get your Bush-hating out of your fist.

The only places where you saw people happy about 9/11 were in Afghanistan, a bunch of stupid kids in Gaza.
I was replying to Krypton that you can't always sit idly by and communicate a message of peace with others when they terrorize you. Bin Laden and his men did just that, or do you not believe like Krypton that 9/11 happened?

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Originally posted by Krypton Everything ain't hunky dory in America, people need to wake the fuck up..

No one's saying everything is perfect in America, but believe me that many of the problems in the Middle East aren't b/c of America.

Finally someone to recognize it , Cia is a terrorist organization that was repsponsible for all the civilian targeting in Serbia and later Iraq and they do sponsor and train terrorist groups. They have global reach and are bent on world domination. Hopefully it won't stay on words only and someone will stop their rampage and put them in place

Last edited by erdega on Sep-30-2007 at 09:42