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Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


I am not making a connection between this tree and deforestation, its just it was the first thing on my mind. I am surprised that most people dont think of that. Here, check out some nice British Columbia maps for deforestation:

Start zoomin' in on some of these, bud:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...46875&t=k&hl=en

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...29688&t=k&hl=en

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...71875&t=k&hl=en


http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...34375&t=k&hl=en



Bud, I used to LIVE an hour and a half from there for 17years, I know exactly what's going on there.

Kamloops is a real shitty example for three reasons:
a) It's semi-arid, almost desert-like and
b) It's in a rain shadow of the Pacific Coast Mountain Range (and I know that because I was in the mountain valley to the East of Kamloops where all the rain dumped on us )
c) Pine Beetles have been devastating BC forests for years.

While I'm sure logging has something to do with these pictures, they aren't the 'whole picture'


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eROs.au
Chuck Bass



Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Upper East Side

Mag, trees are plants too, you know.

Anyway, the short lifespan of hemp is what gives it such a big advantage. Compare 50 years of hemp growing vs 50 years of trees. Hemp far outperforms it in terms of carbon fixation


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Magnetonium
Dubstep = Douchestep



Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Bud, I used to LIVE an hour and a half from there for 17years, I know exactly what's going on there.

Kamloops is a real shitty example for three reasons:
a) It's semi-arid, almost desert-like and
b) It's in a rain shadow of the Pacific Coast Mountain Range (and I know that because I was in the mountain valley to the East of Kamloops where all the rain dumped on us )
c) Pine Beetles have been devastating BC forests for years.

While I'm sure logging has something to do with these pictures, they aren't the 'whole picture'


Its not just Camloops ... thats why I provided several links from all over the province (I hope you looked at all of them), you can see the effects of clear-cutting forestry business .. heck, I was looking around for property on sale in B.C. on MLS.ca, and you can snatch up for bargain prices lands that have been devoured of trees, in some cases two-thirds of the plot cleared up of them, and for sale. But good prices. My favourite is the 560.70 acres land # LOT 0 PORCHER ISLAND RD Prince Rupert, BC V8J 3P3, trees partially included. Only $425,000 right on the Pacific coast and only 15 miles SW of Prince Rupert. Hell of a deal.


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Magnetonium
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada

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Originally posted by eROs.au
Mag, trees are plants too, you know.

Anyway, the short lifespan of hemp is what gives it such a big advantage. Compare 50 years of hemp growing vs 50 years of trees. Hemp far outperforms it in terms of carbon fixation


But hemp plants die several times in that lifespan (winter times, seasonal changes), they dont intake as much greenhouse gases, and other factors that I listed - and when the plants lifespan ends, its all released back into the air or smoked up by humans (and released into the air). The purpose of marijuana plants is not to stabilize CO2 and such but to provide satisfaction and enjoyment to humans and to grow medicines/food/oils/paper/fibres from hemp (great benefit, can save trees). I know well about hemp and its benefits. Using hemp will save trees and hemp paper/fibres are actually better than paper products made from trees, as one example. I support using hemp instead of trees, thus the trees can do all the carbon fixation and cleaning our air, while hemp can feed us, clothe us and make some other happy and high. Using both of them is important, using just hemp and continuing destruction of trees - not such a good idea.

Mature trees are second best to only plankton/algae in terms of stabilizing carbon and intaking all those substances mentioned. But it figures - look at how much of Earth's area is covered by water - if it was inversed with 70% land and only 30% water, then trees would obviously have a clear upper effect. Trees also only represent a portion of that 30% of land (a lot of land is also covered by mountains, deserts, taiga/ice/snow).

Also, when trees are cut down, oceans dont absorb carbon dioxide at higher rates, still the same rates. And when trees are not planted back (and it takes a long time for mature trees to grow back to their optimal levels where they can have their effect), there's an excess CO2 in the cycle that results in these Al Gore readings of global warming. More humans = more demand for arable land = more demand for cattle ranch grounds farms = more trees cut down. As long as our population continues to grow, and as long as we keep continually ignoring the devastating issue of deforestation, expect CO2 levels to icrease, air quality and climate to deteriorate from lack of trees that stabilize it, and many more species disappear and soil degregade. Can anyone here sponsor a new movie Inconvenient Nature?


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Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


Its not just Camloops ... thats why I provided several links from all over the province (I hope you looked at all of them), you can see the effects of clear-cutting forestry business .. heck, I was looking around for property on sale in B.C. on MLS.ca, and you can snatch up for bargain prices lands that have been devoured of trees, in some cases two-thirds of the plot cleared up of them, and for sale. But good prices. My favourite is the 560.70 acres land # LOT 0 PORCHER ISLAND RD Prince Rupert, BC V8J 3P3, trees partially included. Only $425,000 right on the Pacific coast and only 15 miles SW of Prince Rupert. Hell of a deal.


Prince Rupert would be an excellent place to buy right about now if you can find anything.
Canada Customs just made that port a huge stop off for International Cargo.
I have a friend who has a friend who just relocated there from Toronto because of the extra work load.
Check it out:
http://www.rupertport.com/whatsnew.php


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DJ Shibby
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Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Of Earthzen and the Therethen

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But hemp plants die several times in that lifespan (winter times, seasonal changes)


This is what makes them superior in every way.

As a matter of fact, they are speculated to be one of the most evolutionarily advanced plants to have ever existed.

They're the god damned cyborgs of the plant world!

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