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Originally posted by LatinLover The Chinese are restructuring their military and they dont come near to have our technological military advancements.

Technology isn't everything... let's look at manpower for a second...
USA
Front Line personal - 1.4 million
Total personal - 2.37 million
Available manpower (this includes you) - 67.7 million

China
Front Line personal - 2.25 million
Total personal - 7 million
Available manpower - 343 million

I'm thinking that the 275,300,000 extra potential soldiers may make up for the technology gap. China has a near inexhaustable population of potential soldiers, much as the USSR did in the second world war... which is why they won, despite Germany's technological superiority.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Technology isn't everything... let's look at manpower for a second... USA Front Line personal - 1.4 million Total personal - 2.37 million Available manpower (this includes you) - 67.7 million China Front Line personal - 2.25 million Total personal - 7 million Available manpower - 343 million I'm thinking that the 275,300,000 extra potential soldiers may make up for the technology gap. China has a near inexhaustable population of potential soldiers, much as the USSR did in the second world war... which is why they won, despite Germany's technological superiority.

EXCELLENT example.

Germany had superior technology in almost everything from tanks to soldier's weapons, but still lost. When you have the numbers, human wave attacks can work. Penal battalions clear the minefields. Technology isn't everything.

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Originally posted by Krypton EXCELLENT example. Germany had superior technology in almost everything from tanks to soldier's weapons, but still lost. When you have the numbers, human wave attacks can work. Penal battalions clear the minefields. Technology isn't everything.

Germany could have won the war If you understand military history you would know that. Ofcourse China outnumbers the US in soldiers and so on, but do they have quality soldiers? Quantity dosent outweighed Quality I can have a zillion soldiers but if they are just a bunch of incompetent do you think you are going to win the war... by the way in that sect is where china is improving its military, they want to have quality not quantity

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Germany could have won the war If you understand military history you would know that. Ofcourse China outnumbers the US in soldiers and so on, but do they have quality soldiers? Quantity dosent outweighed Quality I can have a zillion soldiers but if they are just a bunch of incompetent do you think you are going to win the war... by the way in that sect is where china is improving its military, they want to have quality soldiers

My minor was military history... Germany could only have won the war had they not attacked the USSR.

Something to keep in mind is that such a war would be one of attrition... 5:1 ratio in a war of attrition is more or less insurmountable.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard My minor was military history... Germany could only have won the war had they not attacked the USSR. Something to keep in mind is that such a war would be one of attrition... 5:1 ratio in a war of attrition is more or less insurmountable.

That is not the only reason If you understand this issue so well what was Hitlers biggest strategic mistake? A hint: Its an internal issue with his regime

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover That is not the only reason If you understand this issue so well what was Hitlers biggest strategic mistake? A hint: Its an internal issue with his regime

No, no, no, no, no....

World War II was a war of attrition. In such a war, technology doesn't mean a damn thing. When the Allies landed in Normandy, the Germans had all the advantages of superior weapons, but their Tiger and Panther tanks, MG42's, nebelwerfers, etc, all superior weapons to the Allies failed to give the Germans victory. The Allies had much superior numbers in planes, tanks, guns, men, etc. Technology, while important is NEVER a guarentee of victory. Does Vietnam ring a bell? Iraqi insurgency? If YOU knew two shits about war theory, for every advantage there is a response. If the enemy is large, make yourself small. If the enemy has technology, use asymmetrical warfare. You need some extensive schooling...

Before you come on here like you know everything, do some reading...

Art of War

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Originally posted by LatinLover That is not the only reason If you understand this issue so well what was Hitlers biggest strategic mistake? A hint: Its an internal issue with his regime

Sorry to break it to you but Hitler's biggest error was Barbarossa. Had he not initiated Barbarossa the USSR would not have entered the war and Germany would have had the resources necessary to take out the UK... without the UK the USA and Canada would not have had a viable base for operations and therefore would have likely patitioned for peace with Germany (that is of course if the US would have even entered into war with Germany... it is likely that they would not have if not for Churchill's influence over Rooseveldt... no UK renders Churchill ineffective). This would have left the Germans ample time to properly arm for a battle with the Soviet Union. Chances are they still would have lost but it would have been a much longer war.

I presume you believe his biggest error was that he kept his generals and ministers busy in-fighting by constently pitting them against each other. While this was detrimental to the efficiency of the state and the efficacy of the military it was not a fatal error, without the manpower, industrial capacity, and incredibly vast land access of the USSR the allies would not have stood a chance.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Technology isn't everything... let's look at manpower for a second... USA Front Line personal - 1.4 million Total personal - 2.37 million Available manpower (this includes you) - 67.7 million China Front Line personal - 2.25 million Total personal - 7 million Available manpower - 343 million I'm thinking that the 275,300,000 extra potential soldiers may make up for the technology gap. China has a near inexhaustable population of potential soldiers, much as the USSR did in the second world war... which is why they won, despite Germany's technological superiority.

lol, wow.

Oh, and it doesn't include me, because I'll dodge the draft quicker than you can say, "Pussy".

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Oh, and here is a fun little article.

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Castro: Bush Could Spark Nuclear War HAVANA — Fidel Castro is accusing President Bush of threatening the world with nuclear war and famine _ an attack on Washington that comes as the White House is set to announce new plans to draw Cuba away from communism. "The danger of a massive world famine is aggravated by Mr. Bush's recent initiative to transform foods into fuel," Castro wrote Tuesday in Cuban news media, referring to U.S. support for using corn and other food crops to produce gasoline substitutes. The brief essay titled "Bush, Hunger and Death" also alleged that Bush "threatens humanity with World War III, this time using atomic weapons." The White House on Tuesday brushed off Castro's comments _ particularly his assertion that Bush was pursuing a forceful conquest of Cuba. "Dictators say a lot of things, and most of them can be discounted, including that," said White House press secretary Dana Perino. Perino said that Bush on Wednesday would urge other nations to join together in promoting democracy in Cuba. "It is true that soon the decades-long debate about our policy towards Cuba will come to a time when we're going to have an opportunity here, when Castro is no longer leading Cuba, that the people there should be able to have a chance at freedom and democracy," she said. "That opportunity is coming." In his essay, Castro predicted that Bush "will adopt new measures to accelerate the 'transition period' in our country, equivalent to a new conquest of Cuba by force." Cuban officials have long denounced U.S. efforts to produce a "transition" from Castro's government to a Western-style representative democracy. Ailing and 81, Castro has not been seen in public since undergoing emergency intestinal surgery and ceding power to a provisional government headed by his younger brother Raul in July 2006. While he has looked upbeat and lucid in official videos, he also seems too frail to resume power. Life on the island has changed little under Raul Castro, the 76-year-old defense minister who was his elder brother's hand-picked successor for decades. Cuba staged municipal elections on Sunday, the first step in a process that will determine if Fidel Castro is re-elected or replaced next year as Cuban leader.

http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/world/latinamerica/2007/10/14/Cuba.Castro/?cvqh=itn_bushcastro

I know he's just pissed that we want to seed democracy in his country, but he's basing this accusation on how Bush is leading our country. Many people see bush as an imperialist leader bent on expanding the United States empire. How far will he go? Only time will tell, we have another year of this bullshit, keep your fingers crossed.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard ... China has a near inexhaustable population of potential soldiers, much as the USSR did in the second world war... which is why they won, despite Germany's technological superiority.

Actually, it was Mother Nature that kicked Germany's ass...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Actually, it was Mother Nature that kicked Germany's ass...

The Germans' failure to plan for winter helped in as much as it allowed the elite forces to get back from Manchria... but they probably still would have won without the cold, it just would have taken longer.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down