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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Push.. nail on head. In 2001 when ASOT started, their wasn't the availability to check Tiesto or Ferry livesets every week, as they did not have a radioshow at the time. However, i'd definitely say they were more diverse throughout their careers. In '01 there was that whole "epic trance" backlash anyway, so most trance DJs were playing some prog/darker tracks at the time. I also wouldn't base Armin's decline on Schulz influence. If anything that is the other way around, that Schulz' dark progressive tendencies are being dropped (at least live) in favour of teh tech-trance. In 2003 people saw Tiesto become number 1 based on the back of large concert style gigs around the world, and this "big-room" sound of tech-trance mixed with mcprog; was then made "THE" direction for Armin and other copycat DJs to take, to try to emulate their peer. As Tiesto found out, that road is littered with problems. Playing only stadium and concert sized gigs, requires the big sound. It requires the artist tracks and hardly any deeper material that could be considered as 'boring' to the 25'000 morons in front of the booth. Damaging the fanbase, and the reputation of the DJ aside... it also encompasses something like a comfort zone. The DJ doesnt get to read or see the criticism that fans direct at their "hero" as most of the time they are worshipped by either morons or arse lickers. Without any constructive critique of their debasement, how are they to know they've sunken to new lows by spinning only that cookie cutter shit. Protected by their own interim of managers, label honcho's and basic somebody's, the DJ can become very self focused and actually believe in what they're doing is something "good" for the scene. The flagship Armada, is even becoming as sub-label and image conscious as BHR before them... ASOT continues to be a "target" for neo-producers spending their time on fruityloops and other software based music production programs, attempting to reach some kind of mass production Tyas style. I'm sure that any of the big names could decide to spin quality over this trite, any time they like. Their fear of what it would do to their popularity is currently preventing them from doing so though. Too much of a good thing, and all that. Do you appease the 2500 strong nerd fanbase online, or the 200'000 first-timers that come to your show just because it is you.

Good post. Agree 100%

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

overall i think hes a good dj/producer and i like his music and hes got good sets and i enjoy ASOT! simple as that

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I use to like the early ASOT but now their just boring.

armin who?

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ overall i think hes a good dj/producer and i like his music and hes got good sets and i enjoy ASOT! simple as that

That statement was completely un-necessary. We already know about your fantastic taste in music.

Thread should've been closed after Rebel9's post. One of the bests posts I've read here in a while, not only on this thread but on the whole forum.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Push.. nail on head. In 2001 when ASOT started, their wasn't the availability to check Tiesto or Ferry livesets every week, as they did not have a radioshow at the time. However, i'd definitely say they were more diverse throughout their careers. In '01 there was that whole "epic trance" backlash anyway, so most trance DJs were playing some prog/darker tracks at the time. I also wouldn't base Armin's decline on Schulz influence. If anything that is the other way around, that Schulz' dark progressive tendencies are being dropped (at least live) in favour of teh tech-trance. In 2003 people saw Tiesto become number 1 based on the back of large concert style gigs around the world, and this "big-room" sound of tech-trance mixed with mcprog; was then made "THE" direction for Armin and other copycat DJs to take, to try to emulate their peer. As Tiesto found out, that road is littered with problems. Playing only stadium and concert sized gigs, requires the big sound. It requires the artist tracks and hardly any deeper material that could be considered as 'boring' to the 25'000 morons in front of the booth. Damaging the fanbase, and the reputation of the DJ aside... it also encompasses something like a comfort zone. The DJ doesnt get to read or see the criticism that fans direct at their "hero" as most of the time they are worshipped by either morons or arse lickers. Without any constructive critique of their debasement, how are they to know they've sunken to new lows by spinning only that cookie cutter shit. Protected by their own interim of managers, label honcho's and basic somebody's, the DJ can become very self focused and actually believe in what they're doing is something "good" for the scene. The flagship Armada, is even becoming as sub-label and image conscious as BHR before them... ASOT continues to be a "target" for neo-producers spending their time on fruityloops and other software based music production programs, attempting to reach some kind of mass production Tyas style. I'm sure that any of the big names could decide to spin quality over this trite, any time they like. Their fear of what it would do to their popularity is currently preventing them from doing so though. Too much of a good thing, and all that. Do you appease the 2500 strong nerd fanbase online, or the 200'000 first-timers that come to your show just because it is you.

Very true.

...I guess the awnser to this is a question: When will big name djs start reading TA?

"Blue Fear" gave him appeal, and everything since then has taken it away.

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Originally posted by Algenis Very true. ...I guess the awnser to this is a question: When will big name djs start reading TA?

They already do, and those who choose to post tend to last about a week before throwing a tantrum and running off.

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I think Armin deserves to win it. I mean, he managed to grow hair back for the shoot of his ASOT2007 cover! Let's see Sasha do THAT!

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Ok here is my take on this. I've probably written this in other threads but let's have a repeat. I remember back in 2000 when Tiesto and Ferry were dominating the epic sound and Armin emerged as a new star. Alot of people including me were really positive towards Armins style. He wasn't an epic only DJ but was mixing different styles and his compilation series were excellent. A State of Trance, Basic Instinct, In Motion and Transparance were all great and really well mixed. Also when Armin started his ASOT radio show it was really good in the beginning. You can tell that he experimented alot with different styles and his style had a darker trademark sound. Just check the TL of this early episode: 01 John Creamer & Stephane K - I Love You (ambient mix) 02 Jimmy Van M @ Sanctuary - Sanctuary 03 Orinoko - Island (Saints & Sinners remix) 04 Walter Solo - Coming From Another World 05.Lemon8 - Pressure 06 Dj Nukem vs Chab - Forward (Piece Process rmx) 07 Cape Town - Stringrizer 08 Dirty Vegas - Days Go By (Lucien Foort rmx) 09 Trisco - Musak (Steve Lawler rmx) 10 Rank 1 - Such Is Life (deep dub) 11 Spicelab - Oscillator 12 Signum - Five Yards 13 Barthezz - On The Move (Riva rmx) I think it was during 2003 when his sound started to change to the negative. When his sound became more and more influenced by Markus Schulz. It went more vocal oriented and the pace dropped. This combined with the fact that different labels started spitting out shitloads of Above & Beyond clones, which Armin happily spun, didn't raise the quality of the show. Today I can barely stand 1 minute of the show. The techy and dark sound of his early shows is totally gone. I don't hate Armin. In fact I even think he is a very talented DJ. I just find it sad that such a promising DJ took such a commercial route.

I agree with this about 90% of the way through. My only difference in opinion is when it went 'wrong' but that's just a matter of preference.

I'm only 20 and that didn't allow me to see him pre 2006 so I can't say how his live shows were before then, but seeing him in 2006 I can say I was disappointed.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced any party from 2003 and back I only remember bits and pieces...i've combined those memories into one awesome party