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Chuck Bass



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Any black holes created would vanish almost instantly


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first up, just curious, is this classified as chemistry talk of physics? id say physics but thats cause i did this sorta stuff in phys at school an not in chem.




That may be true, but in physics according to the thought experiment Schrödinger's cat it can be.
Or at least thats my understanding of it.
or does it specifically refer to the state of the particle, possibility of position, and not the particle 'being' in two positions?
And last time i checked there was no counter-proof to his hypothesis.

Does a particle (or body for that matter) at light speed have infinite mass, or just very big?

Back to the original experiment. I wonder what kind of safety measures they have taken for this, from what i know couldnt it 'stabilize' and cause SERIOUS issues? I mean do they have any idea how to stop a black hole?

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As to whether this is chemistry or physics it is both. The main difference between chemistry and physics is scale. Physics is more interested in the elementary particles where chemistry is more interested in larger systems like molecules. Both however are subject to quantum mechanics, and there is a significant overlap. Especially if you are like me and you concentrate on physical/quantum chemistry instead of organic/biochem.


Not really sure but Schrodinger's equations are used to mathematically describe particles as a wave function. Any wave passing through a set of slits or a diffraction grating will be subject to interference.

The thought experiment says that when you go to measure the quantum system you collapse its wavefunction. Before you went to measure the system it was a superposition of different states. Superposition occurs when something "possesses" more than one value for a quantity (momentum, energy, position, etc...) I think this is where people get the idea something can be in two places at once.

Not too sure about the infinite mass, but I do know that in nuclear reactors electrons can travel faster than the speed of light causing Cerenkov radiation. And they do have mass albeit very small mass, so I'm assuming particles of very small mass can move at the speed of light without their mass becoming infinite.


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Any black holes created would vanish almost instantly


And the reason for this would be?

oh an thanks Zild that clears heaps up.

Ive been reading more from random sources, this stuff is mind boggling at best. I gotta say the person who can get hyperspace working will be one smart guy.

British

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And the reason for this would be?

oh an thanks Zild that clears heaps up.

Ive been reading more from random sources, this stuff is mind boggling at best. I gotta say the person who can get hyperspace working will be one smart guy.

British


Galactic black holes are caused by stars at least 5 times greater than our own. We're not collapsing stars man...

THese would be infintesimally small black holes, UNLIKE the ones created by supermassive stars and super novas. Stephen Hawking kind of proved black holes eventually evaporate into nothing. So these very very very small black holes would essentially evaporate in a split second, just barely detectable by our instruments.


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Re: Largest Scientific Experiment Ever Almost Complete

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Called the Hadron Particle Collider, this thing could theoretically create a black hole. Costing $6 BILLION, it was designed to create the conditions right after the BIG BANG.

Here is the problem: The four fundamental forces of nature, gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces, were once unified before the big bang. They split apart 10^-43 seconds, from one unified force into 4. Scientists want to know what it was like right after this event so we can learn about how our universe was created. It's MINDBLOWING stuff.... For any interested in why we exist and what everything simply just is, and why it is..

10^-42 seconds = .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds. Very very very short amount of time. Before this moment after the Big Bang, the forces of nature were unified, and so we cannot explain the big bang itself, because the laws of physics we know today didn't exist before 10^-42 seconds.



maybe this thing can prove the 911 truth movement was correct after all.......


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maybe this thing can prove the 911 truth movement was correct after all.......


Maybe if we made a wormhole back in time to 2001. MAYBE...


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Black holes are not eternal. They dissipate through Hawking radiation. The smaller the black hole, the quicker they radiate.


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