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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN irrelevant. they're still better on the PC you notice that arent any super-duper titles championed by the consoles that the PC dont get? alone in the dark is a freakin PC franchise, its still a PC game even if the thumb-kiddies are getting it too. and are you really gonna tell me halflife ISNT A PC game? come now, lets take this seriously

The degree to which they're "better" is both arguable and negligible in any true gameplay sense.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN company of heroes

My mistake, I don't know anything about it.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN perhaps thats because you havent played it? its the very first game of its type that actually works.

Lol, I didn't realize "working" was the sign of a sound game.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN absolute nonsense. people have been saying that forever. you cant design bold, new games when all your target audience wants is GTA 17 or fifa 55 etc. if the PC ISNT the format for innovation, which is? the wii. but that's hardly powerful enough to cater to the next-gen audience. so what innovative titles are microsoft and sony bringing to the party?

People may have been saying that forever, but PC game sales have absolutely tanked in the past two to three years (in far worse fashion than they had been before it), and that is why you're seeing guys who were traditionally PC only (Cliffy B, Molyneaux, etc.) transitioning further and further to consoles.

The beauty of the shift to consoles is that you don't have to look at one "leader" - different developers come of age every year and create games that are sometimes new and different, sometimes rehashes of the same formula done countless times before, and most often somewhere directly between. Innovation is hardly the only factor for qualifying a good game experience - and further, what makes something innovative? I imagine that much the same way I dashed off your suggestions, you could easily find any aspect of any title I mention and attempt to distill it to that single aspect. The fact remains that games like Okami and Katamari are few and far between, regardless of the medium.

My only point, regardless of whether or not anyone wants to acknowledge it, is that if PC game sales continue sinking like the rock they are, well then I wouldn't expect much beyond MMO's, RTS franchises that sell, and more generic first person shooters than you can shake a stick at - and that's if you're lucky enough to have them programming for you nerds at all anymore.

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Originally posted by RJT The degree to which they're "better" is both arguable and negligible in any true gameplay sense.

perhaps. but there's just more choice in terms of how you play the game and how well it runs.

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Originally posted by RJT Lol, I didn't realize "working" was the sign of a sound game.

working in a gameplay mechanics sense

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Originally posted by RJT Innovation is hardly the only factor for qualifying a good game experience -

perhaps not, but its certainly all im after. im tired of the rehashes, which occurs worse on consoles.

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Originally posted by RJT I imagine that much the same way I dashed off your suggestions, you could easily find any aspect of any title I mention and attempt to distill it to that single aspect. The fact remains that games like Okami and Katamari are few and far between, regardless of the medium. My only point, regardless of whether or not anyone wants to acknowledge it, is that if PC game sales continue sinking like the rock they are, well then I wouldn't expect much beyond MMO's, RTS franchises that sell, and more generic first person shooters than you can shake a stick at - and that's if you're lucky enough to have them programming for you nerds at all anymore.

Well, that will spell the end of gaming for me. Don’t get me wrong, consoles do what they do very well and theyre a fantastic product. But the lack of customisation, scaling, control choices, and the generic-ness of your average title will keep me away. The great strength of the console is also its greatest weakness imo.

BUT, the fact that the PC will always have the power edge will ensure any new intellectual property that requires sheer grunt will debut on the PC, just like it always has.

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Originally posted by RJT People may have been saying that forever, but PC game sales have absolutely tanked in the past two to three years (in far worse fashion than they had been before it), and that is why you're seeing guys who were traditionally PC only (Cliffy B, Molyneaux, etc.) transitioning further and further to consoles.

Rubbish. They are doing it because any smart person knows that the best way to make money with games is to sell it on as many platforms as possible. This results in shitty games for everyone but meh, the mindless sheep don't give a fuck and are happy to pay ever increasing amounts for any game. GTA4 is on pre-order here for $150. 150 FUCKING DOLLARS! IDIOTS!

Let's get one things straight, the amount of shit games is every increasing regardless of platform. It's got nothing to do with console vs pc, but all about idiotic sheep demanding uber graphics with absolutely no substance, longevity and replayability in a game.

Oh and btw, saying PC games are dying is like saying trance is dead. It's both a moronic, idiotic and retarded statement at the same time.

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Let's just take a look at where you went wrong throughout your entire post, shall we?

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Originally posted by Fledz Rubbish. They are doing it because any smart person knows that the best way to make money with games is to sell it on as many platforms as possible. This results in shitty games for everyone but meh, the mindless sheep don't give a fuck and are happy to pay ever increasing amounts for any game. GTA4 is on pre-order here for $150. 150 FUCKING DOLLARS! IDIOTS!

Where are you that GTA4 is on preorder for $150?

In any event, that entire paragraph seems completely irrelevant to ths discussion at hand, but thanks for noting it Captain O.

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Originally posted by Fledz Let's get one things straight, the amount of shit games is every increasing regardless of platform. It's got nothing to do with console vs pc, but all about idiotic sheep demanding uber graphics with absolutely no substance, longevity and replayability in a game.

Again, seems to have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Way to stay in the game.

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Originally posted by Fledz Oh and btw, saying PC games are dying is like saying trance is dead. It's both a moronic, idiotic and retarded statement at the same time.

Really? Care to find me some evidence supporting your claim that video games for PC's are still selling incredibly well? Or that the industry isn't shifting towards both the casual and console gamer?



Don't worry about trying (I figure you might just be thick enough to spend a few days trying) - it was a trick question, you can't.

And let me clear up one other little inconsistency in your analogy - you see, Trance music actually sells, and it sells because it's garbage marketed to sheep like you who lap it up like milk from their mothers teat. If you really wanted to make an apt analogy you would have had to have found something whose sales were declining but still managed to stick around, despite the odds stacking against it.

So then, anything else you need cleared up, Fledz? I'm always happy to attempt to educate the idiots, though they rarely seem to learn.



Edit: And just for good measure...

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"I think people would rather make a game that sells 4.5 million copies than a million and Gears is at 4.5 million right now on the 360. I think the PC is just in disarray... what's driving the PC right now is 'Sims'-type games and WoW and a lot of stuff that's in a web-based interface. You just click on it and play it. That's the direction PC is evolving into, so for me the PC is kind of the secondary part of what we're doing. It's important for us, but right now making AAA games on consoles is where we're at."

I'll give you all one guess which formerly PC only developer had that to say.

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Originally posted by RJT Trance music actually sells, and it sells because it's garbage marketed to sheep like you who lap it up like milk from their mothers teat.

oh fuck off! trance sells because it is more accessible, same as console games are more accessible. doesn't make them better, indeed i find a lot of them dumbed down.

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I'll give you all one guess which formerly PC only developer had that to say.

and yet we still have the best games, because (in your own words) console games "sell because it's garbage marketed to sheep like you who lap it up like milk from their mothers teat."

pure and simple.

2007 was the best year for PC games in a long time. im certainly not worried.

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Believe me, I'm not here to argue that the consoles aren't absolutely crammed to the gills with shit - trust me, if we're going to have the "what is trance, consoles or PC's?" debate, I guarantee you we're of the same mind.

Though I certainly wouldn't say that necessarily implies PC have the best games - not by a long shot.

But yeah - other than that, if you're happy, then that's all that matters.

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does this mean youre not gonna download my 2008 uplifting trance promo?

well, i think PCs have the best games, which is the whole reason i switched to PC gaming back in 1993. i love the fighting games and sports games on consoles, but i pretty much prefer every other genre on PC.

though im fucking unhappy about the fucking issues im having getting my controller to work with fifa 08. fuck EA are shit.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN 2007 was the best year for PC games in a long time.

Since 1999 I would say, and I expect 2008-2009 might even be better than 2007.

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Ahahaha, you attempt a rebuttal by just dismissing a paragraph on whim? Please mate, you seem to think your way of arguing is better but you're not actually arguing at all. All you're doing is brushing comments away in an attempt to mask your inability to actually form a proper rebuttal.

And then you go and insinuate I'm an uneducated idiot. Wow, just wow. Idiots definitely never learn

Oh and fyi, comments such as this completely discredit your posts:

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And let me clear up one other little inconsistency in your analogy - you see, Trance music actually sells, and it sells because it's garbage marketed to sheep like you who lap it up like milk from their mothers teat. If you really wanted to make an apt analogy you would have had to have found something whose sales were declining but still managed to stick around, despite the odds stacking against it.

You clearly demonstrate what boat you're in and unlike you I actually appreciate all music and don't just say it's shit because I don't like it. You seem to be of the elitist and jaded bunch which pretty much means you're exactly the same when it comes to games too.

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Let me just take a minute and dissect your post and these accusations you seem to be making here:

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Originally posted by Fledz Ahahaha, you attempt a rebuttal by just dismissing a paragraph on whim? Please mate, you seem to think your way of arguing is better but you're not actually arguing at all. All you're doing is brushing comments away in an attempt to mask your inability to actually form a proper rebuttal.

I dismissed your paragraph because it had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand, that's hardly dismissing it away on a whim. But if you'd like me to go on, it really had everything to do with the fact that non-MMO PC game sales are on the decline (which you're more than welcome to Google), and the fact that I could (and did) provide a textual quote from Cliffy B stating his disinterest in the PC gaming industries current state.

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Originally posted by Fledz And then you go and insinuate I'm an uneducated idiot. Wow, just wow. Idiots definitely never learn

You are an idiot. I know this because I read your posts.

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Originally posted by Fledz Oh and fyi, comments such as this completely discredit your posts: You clearly demonstrate what boat you're in and unlike you I actually appreciate all music and don't just say it's shit because I don't like it. You seem to be of the elitist and jaded bunch which pretty much means you're exactly the same when it comes to games too.

How do they discredit my posts? Because I have taste? It's not my fault trance music has effectively gone down the commercial drain with Armin and co., that's just life.

Further, my tastes are my own - and just because you don't agree with them, and are incapable of making any coherent argument supporting the generic trash you enjoy doesn't make me an elitist who really has no clue what he's talking about.

I hope that's cleared things up for you Fledz, but if it hasn't, let me summarize.

Fledz Summary: You are an idiot, fuck off.

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Ahaha, you truly are terrible in every sense of the word. Jesus Christ, what kind of people they let out into the world

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Originally posted by Fledz which pretty much means you're exactly the same when it comes to games too.

So he has good taste in games then?

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