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Originally posted by derail But make sure your mixing decisions are serving the art, not the level meters!

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well from a research i did and from my experiment getting ur rms to -10 db and a -7 ,6 (TOP!!!!) peak is way better.

almost every soundcard will twist/distort the sound above -6b.
u just hear it alot better and get better results.

also when u deliver a "hot mix" (very close to the 0db) the mastering engineer will have alot of problems with it.
it can b done but not with the same result.

get a good balanced mix at -10db rms , send it to a mastering engineer and i'm sure u'll get better results

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Originally posted by Hydroid almost every soundcard will twist/distort the sound above -6b.

Absolute rubbish.

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Originally posted by Hydroid get a good balanced mix at -10db rms , send it to a mastering engineer and i'm sure u'll get better results

This is far too low. Boosting +10db is going to bring up the noise floor too much.

-3db seems to be the norm. However, I have heard of some people (eg. Armin) having their master at -6db.

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Originally posted by echosystm This is far too low. Boosting +10db is going to bring up the noise floor too much.

No, not if you're using 24bit...

Yea the norm seems to be between -3db to -6db. Anything over and you don't leave enough headroom, anything under and it's too quiet and gives noise when you boost during the mastering stage.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum No, not if you're using 24bit...

exactly u won't have any problem with that if u work on 24bit.
bringing the wave file -10db to 0 db with some serious analog equipment will make ur track sound twice as good as if u give the master guy about 2 db headroom to play with.
and about the sound card thingy , i was talkin about most avarage soundcards.

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Originally posted by echosystm This is far too low. Boosting +10db is going to bring up the noise floor too much. -3db seems to be the norm. However, I have heard of some people (eg. Armin) having their master at -6db.

-6d peak i guess

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Originally posted by Hydroid exactly u won't have any problem with that if u work on 24bit. bringing the wave file -10db to 0 db with some serious analog equipment will make ur track sound twice as good as if u give the master guy about 2 db headroom to play with. and about the sound card thingy , i was talkin about most avarage soundcards.

So it doesnt really matter then what level the wave file peaks on if its 24bit anyway.. ?

The mastering engineer can just turn up or down the volume himself before he sets off to master the track?

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force So it doesnt really matter then what level the wave file peaks on if its 24bit anyway.. ? The mastering engineer can just turn up or down the volume himself before he sets off to master the track?

no

the higher the bit depth, the lower the noise floor will/can be, in basic terms. in reality it is a bit more complex than that (crap in = crap out), but for the sake of this argument, 24bit lets you push it higher than 16bit, but it isn't unlimited.

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Originally posted by Hydroid well from a research i did and from my experiment getting ur rms to -10 db and a -7 ,6 (TOP!!!!) peak is way better. almost every soundcard will twist/distort the sound above -6b. u just hear it alot better and get better results. also when u deliver a "hot mix" (very close to the 0db) the mastering engineer will have alot of problems with it. it can b done but not with the same result. get a good balanced mix at -10db rms , send it to a mastering engineer and i'm sure u'll get better results

-10dB RMS is equal to a loud mastered track. A mastering engineer wouldn't be happy if you sent him something that loud.
I think you're confusing RMS with peak level.
The master channel should peak around -3dB (That would be around -20dB RMS, just guessing here). Actually as long as it doesn't clip it's fine.

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Originally posted by Eldritch -10dB RMS is equal to a loud mastered track. A mastering engineer wouldn't be happy if you sent him something that loud. I think you're confusing RMS with peak level. The master channel should peak around -3dB (That would be around -20dB RMS, just guessing here). Actually as long as it doesn't clip it's fine.

dude rms is the lower volume , the avarage one.
in mastering u make the dynamic range smaller (lowest point is closer to the highest point.)

i think -10db rms with a peak of 0db or higher is kinda weird don't u think?

its usually a small change unless u want a really big dynamic range but that's kinda weird.

almost all masters i checked have a smaller dyanmic range then that...

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