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Originally posted by Zewad and Lisa... I have said to you on multipule occoasions how strong your Long Island accent is... im sure what you think of "ah" is very different than what my "ah" is.. I do think the way you wrote it here is correct, but I can hear you saying it and it'll sound way way different than if i did...

Perhaps. My accent isn't that bad anymore . I promise you it has changed.

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Originally posted by klingklang77 Nope. cot- has an 'ah' sound to me and caught has an 'aw' sound to me. Why do you ask?

Because that's apparently common in the US (except for a few regions), and I found your description interesting, since the sound you used to describe the "o" in "cot" is exactly the same vowel I'd use to describe the "ar" sound in "cart" [ɑː]. I know that happens in cities where the cot-caught merger is common, but I thought you'd pronounce the word "cot" the same way I do (with an [ɒ]).

I speak a bastardised variety of British English, by the way

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Originally posted by Lira Because that's apparently common in the US (except for a few regions), and I found your description interesting, since the sound you used to describe the "o" in "cot" is exactly the same vowel I'd use to describe the "ar" sound in "cart" [ɑː]. I know that happens in cities where the cot-caught merger is common, but I thought you'd pronounce the word "cot" the same way I do (with an [ɒ]). I speak a bastardised variety of British English, by the way

With cart I pronounce the 'r'. Usually in AmEn we don't follow the British rule of silent 'r' after a vowel. I do think that vowel sound in cart and cot are the same, if you don't think about that 'r' sound in cart. I hope that makes sense. I hate teaching pronunciation in a British English speaking country and most of the materials are British English. It always spins my head around when I have to think about how to teach it and then I realise I can't model it, so I can't teach it very well.

I think I am confused now... lol.

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Originally posted by klingklang77 With cart I pronounce the 'r'. Usually in AmEn we don't follow the British rule of silent 'r' after a vowel. I do think that vowel sound in cart and cot are the same, if you don't think about that 'r' sound in cart. I hope that makes sense.

Yes, it does, and it's actually enlightening.

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Originally posted by klingklang77 I hate teaching pronunciation in a British English speaking country and most of the materials are British English. It always spins my head around when I have to think about how to teach it and then I realise I can't model it, so I can't teach it very well.

As an American, what else do you find confusing? Regionalisms, perhaps?

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Originally posted by klingklang77 I think I am confused now... lol.

I think I am confusing now...

ps.: Regarding that link you posted, "man" and "men" sound the same to me

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Originally posted by Lira As an American, what else do you find confusing? Regionalisms, perhaps? ps.: Regarding that link you posted, "man" and "men" sound the same to me

I have a better link on my other computer. Men and man confuse people too.

I think I find the differences between BrEN and AmEN confusing. For example the 'a' sounds (can't in BrEn vs. AmEn). I also get confused with the 'or' sound (I wish I had the fonts for the symbols). For example, saw and cork have the same vowel sounds, but to me they sound different. I know they are different and I can understand how they sound different, but when I teach it some of them aren't aware of both sounds and the students get confused.

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