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Originally posted by Getafix If you have $3000 to spend then seriously consider getting either the Focal Twin6 or for $1000 more the Klein + Hummel 0300. They are both 3-way monitors, meaning they are MUCH more accurate & translate really well. I own Dynaudio BM6A's which i'm selling to upgrade to either of these two, they are in a completely different league than Dynaudios or Mackies. As well they should considering they cost twice as much!

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/articles/focaltwin6.htm
Fairly good review. Allthough it seems like a lot of 2 way designs would in the same price range would do similarly well.

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Originally posted by Fledz Aren't they midfields though? Therefore not comparable with nearfields as it's like comparing a sedan to a pickup truck?

Depends, most importantly is that you would need a bigger room, better acoustics and the listening position should be further apart from the speakers. They're produced for a very different working space (in terms of room volume/measurements). It's not your average bedroom speaker, sort of speak.

All in all you could probably get equal results from using near fields in the same price range, if your space is limited like it is for the most of us .

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The original Mackie HR824s are going for $500 for a pair on eBay. For $500, that's well worth it so I'm probably going to go with those.

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Originally posted by alanzo The original Mackie HR824s are going for $500 for a pair on eBay. For $500, that's well worth it so I'm probably going to go with those.

definatly worth it.. got mine for 1.2G new

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Originally posted by echosystm it's all preference, but i find it alot easier to stay objective if i swap between monitors every hour or so. using one set of monitors totally destroys my ability to even tell if i'm making the song better or worse.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja same

Wow, that's wierd. I was going to post that I have never come across an engineer or producer that switches between monitors like very hour, and now there are 2.

Most pro engineers/producers demand their preferred monitors and will only listen usually to another set when doing a final check over the project. They mainly say that's because they chose their particular monitors because they know or have learnt how to mix and produce on them.

I don't really see the merit of switching between monitors so often if you properly know the characteristics, translation and particular sound of your chosen monitors. It would seem to indicate that one wouldn't trust their setup.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Wow, that's wierd. I was going to post that I have never come across an engineer or producer that switches between monitors like very hour, and now there are 2. Most pro engineers/producers demand their preferred monitors and will only listen usually to another set when doing a final check over the project. They mainly say that's because they chose their particular monitors because they know or have learnt how to mix and produce on them. I don't really see the merit of switching between monitors so often if you properly know the characteristics, translation and particular sound of your chosen monitors. It would seem to indicate that one wouldn't trust their setup.

The switching thing is just a habbit of mine. I know lots of guys that do it. I don't switch while I'm actually MIXING, just when i'm mucking around, arranging or testing the mix. If you listen to one set of speakers for too long, your ears adapt to it or fatigue and you lose the ability to be objective. Usually you keep your sessions not too long to avoid this. Switching monitors is akin to taking a break, so you can keep your ears "fresh" for a long time.

I know a few guys who work in different recording studios where I live. They all do this technique of switching between speakers regularly, so that they can get through the ~3+ hours of listening without getting off track.

It has everything to do with your own ears and nothing to do with the accuracy/translation of the speakers. You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

If you look at a lot of producers studios (armin, thrillseekers, for example), you will find they often use two separate sets of monitors. They will often have one set at the computer (arranging) and another set at a mixing desk. This is the same concept - they obviously switch between the two for the different purposes.

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Switching monitors is not akin to taking a break. Your ears won't just pop back into their normal listening configuration just because of a monitor change. Yes, you will hear things differently because it's a different pair of speakers but the loud sound is still there.

Taking a break is always better after long sessions than switching monitors.

When you don't need a break then yes sure, having two pairs of monitors could be an advantage but is it practical? Monitors aren't cheap but if you can afford them then go for it. This of course doesn't apply to pros like Armin and Thrillseekers because obviously that is their job and they can afford it. I'm talking more in general terms for the home studio.

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Originally posted by Fledz Aren't they midfields though? Therefore not comparable with nearfields as it's like comparing a sedan to a pickup truck?

Nope not really, they're nearfields that also fall into the midfield category. Ideally you would need a fairly large room for them or an acoustically treated mid-sized room.

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Originally posted by Fledz Yes, you will hear things differently because it's a different pair of speakers

this is all that is important. fatiguing and "adjusting" aren't necessarily the same thing. your brain looks for patterns, which may be more prevalent in certain frequencies than others (and hence in certain monitors more than others). if you're using the same speakers the whole time, your brain will get locked into a certain groove etc. etc.

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Originally posted by Fledz Monitors aren't cheap but if you can afford them then go for it.

Like I said, they don't even need to be "monitors". I use a pair of cheap "monitors", but they might as well be hifi speakers. Hell, I would have bought hifi speakers, but I wanted to make use of the digital out on my audio interface.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja mixing bass on headphones is and always will be a terrible idea, headphones do not produce real bass. it is emulated bass..

Im not really sure what that's supposed to mean, headphones DO produce bass frequencies, just obviously they're much lower power due to their proximity to the ear so you can only hear them and not feel them...

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Originally posted by Getafix If you have $3000 to spend then seriously consider getting either the Focal Twin6 or for $1000 more the Klein + Hummel 0300. They are both 3-way monitors, meaning they are MUCH more accurate & translate really well.

Does anyone know anywhere in the UK that stocks the Focals?