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Originally posted by Q5echo i don't know about "finally" with respect to American democracy. womyn have had equal government representaion for almost a century now. (military notwithstanding) what we (you and i) are really talking about is fair and equal social representation, or the perception of such. A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAT NO ONE HAS A MONOPOLY ON UNDERSTANDING. we could discuss that for days.

with all the respect to american democracy, the sufraggettes movement began in France in 19th century.
But you have to agree, that simply getting rights is not the same as social representation, as u mentioned.

speaking of this country, i would say more af like from early 80.
before this could u think of female cop? or fireman (firewoman in this situation, i guess)? or math professor? or companys CEO? - NO WAY.

only nowadays female leader is becoming more common, but what about typically female staff, like raising kids?

they claim to protect u from such a discrimination at work, for ex, but is it really true?
i suppose, so far, it is still easier to get a prestigious position being male.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Yea that's what we thought. Then we got Thatcher...

oh, cmon, what's wrong with the Steel Lady?

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Originally posted by Q5echo i think it's a question of just how strong and independent women want to be and at what price? only a woman can answer that.

and why is that she has to sacrifice smth?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Those girls go to school to get their MRS, not their MBA. Business school just means having easy access to lots of potential.

poor guy, how unlucky u were(((((

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Originally posted by me&myself with all the respect to american democracy, the sufraggettes movement began in France in 19th century.

sure in Europe but women's suffrage in America was mostly an American phoenomenon.

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But you have to agree, that simply getting rights is not the same as social representation, as u mentioned.

absolutely.

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speaking of this country, i would say more af like from early 80. before this could u think of female cop? or fireman (firewoman in this situation, i guess)? or math professor? or companys CEO? - NO WAY. only nowadays female leader is becoming more common, but what about typically female staff, like raising kids?

youre speaking in generalities. have there ever been females in traditionaly male occupations or positions prior to 1980? sure. societal lags in institutions occur all the time. i'm not sure what your point is though? and what does it have to do with "how smart do girls have to be?"

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they claim to protect u from such a discrimination at work, for ex, but is it really true?

yes.

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i suppose, so far, it is still easier to get a prestigious position being male.

not necessarily.

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Originally posted by me&myself and why is that she has to sacrifice smth?

why does a woman choose one path or another?

all i'm saying is whatever path she does choose, there is little left in modern Western style governments for them to get behind women on.

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Originally posted by me&myself poor guy, how unlucky u were(((((

Huh? Was that supposed to mean something?

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Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Huh? Was that supposed to mean something?

u are the one claiming,that girls go to college receive Mrs) not for learning, and i suppose this comes from ur own experience. and i believe not so good one)

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Originally posted by me&myself u are the one claiming,that girls go to college receive Mrs) not for learning, and i suppose this comes from ur own experience. and i believe not so good one)

Um, no...it has nothing to do with me.

I've just witnessed it plenty of times with talented women. My girlfriend's step-sister went to Wharton and works for one of the major investment banks in NYC (and does well). She's planning to quit soon after getting married. I just don't understand the point of working so hard if all that you're trying to do is get married and quit.

Oh, and I didn't say college, I said MBA, which is business school. Same comment applies to law and med school, though.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I just don't understand the point of working so hard if all that you're trying to do is get married and quit.

without sounding like a hippy, perhaps the journey and experience in their chosen discipline was more important than their vocation?

i know i LOVED studying, but fuck i hate working

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