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Originally posted by donnybrasco So if Bush came out and said; "I dodged the Vietnam War because I just didn't want to go", you'd respect that??

Of course I would. Wouldn't anyone respect honesty?

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It was directed mostly at Raisin, but a little bit at you for calling me a "Bush Apologist". What exactly does he need apologizing for?

In this particular instance, for supposedly supporting a war but refusing to actually participate in it when given ample opportunity. However my primary point was to depict your generalization about the "nature of Democrats" supporting a particular candidate despite his/her personal shortcomings, which is also very well demonstrated in Republicans too with the example I gave about Bush. Of course Democrats would choose Hillary if they had to, just as you or any Republican would align themselves up en masse with the Republican candidate despite any of his personal shortcomings. What you are attempting to generalize and what I am pointing out merely cuts both ways for both parties.

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We're talking about lying here. When did Bush lie?

Before I jump into that sinking boat, am I to understand first that you believe Bush has not lied, deceived, or misled anyone on anything in his entire presidency?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Yes - it's true, GOP campaigns often use unsubstantiated allegations like that. -Max Cleland, who lost multiple limbs in Vietnam, is un-patriotic. -John McCain has an illegitimate black baby. -Swift boat. Spacey is basically saying "if you can't beat them, join them." I refuse to stoop to the GOP level. Sorry.

LOL!!!

Right. It's ONLY the G.O.P. ...Democrats NEVER stoop to dirty politics.

It's obviously a "vast right wing conspiracies" (to quote are soon to be former Presidential Candidate, Hilary).

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Before I jump into that sinking boat, am I to understand first that you believe Bush has not lied, deceived, or misled anyone on anything in his entire presidency?

Be back later. Out of play time for now. But I will answer your questions.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco The man was accused of sexual harassment and basically what amounts to rape. A serious allegation. Lying to cover it up has nothing to do with his supposed "private life", but has EVERYTHING to do with a literal crime!

I'm curious if you can demonstrate that the investigation was about sexual harassment and "basically what amounts to rape." I didn't seem to find that in the Starr Report. And wasn't the Starr report originally supposed to be focused on Whitewater, which strangely $78 million taxpayer dollars later spent by the Republican Congress nothing was found on the Clintons in that regard? Funny how a partisan investigator like Ken Starr turned it into something strangely different.

Regardless, what's the information regarding a sexual harassment/rape claim?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Aaawww...thanks Raisin! It's times like this when you're all honest and stuff about your feelings for me, that I get all mushy and break down. How about a nice, big cyber-hug, you ole' warped Liberal, you!

i include you in neither of those categories

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Originally posted by donnybrasco *BUZZER* Wrong! The man was accused of sexual harassment and basically what amounts to rape. A serious allegation. Lying to cover it up has nothing to do with his supposed "private life", but has EVERYTHING to do with a literal crime!

clinton's CONSENSUAL relationship with lewinsky is irrelevant.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Before I jump into that sinking boat, am I to understand first that you believe Bush has not lied, deceived, or misled anyone on anything in his entire presidency?

which is exactly my point too. its ridiculous to criticise clinton for lying about lewinsky if youre a bush apologist. thoroughly irrational and asymmetrical view on the subject.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco LOL!!! Right. It's ONLY the G.O.P. ...Democrats NEVER stoop to dirty politics. It's obviously a "vast right wing conspiracies" (to quote are soon to be former Presidential Candidate, Hilary).

... well? Think of any yet?

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Wait... did he say Clinton raped Lewinsky?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Wait... did he say Clinton raped Lewinsky?

Im not entirely sure what he's banging on about, all I have been able to ascertain is that he believes the lynching of clinton's presidency because of his extra marital affair(s) was a-ok, and that clinton's lying under oath was somehow more dishonest/unethical than bush's rallying for war, the outing of plame, the suspension of habeus corpus, the illegal wire-tapping, torturing and kidnapping of foreign nationals, guantanimo bay and its murky dance around international law. Go figure.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Wait... did he say Clinton raped Lewinsky?

Sounds like it.

That's a little far-fetched if you ask me (read: absurd). Lewinsky was blowing the guy for gods sake. If she were being raped, I doubt Bill would be brave/stupid enough to stick his member in a region to where it could be potentially bitten off.

I agree with PKC. Bill should have never been put in a place to where he had to lie about the whole incident anyways. It's his personal life, and it should've remained just that, personal.

This horse has been beaten to death though. Isn't it about time we let it be?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco ????? Clinton is anti-war? Somalia, Kosovo, etc...any of these incursions ring a bell? Hardly the work of a "consistent" anti-war politician.

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that's completely consistent, what are you talking about? being "anti-war" doesn't mean you don't take your nation to war when it warrants it.

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