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Originally posted by Jake Benson No because I don't live in 18th century America and live in the city. How many boys do you know grow up in the city with the urge at 18 months to retreat to the forest to hunt creatures?

Like 3 or 4.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson If you look at the inside of the shape of the anus, it matches that of an erect penis perfectly. Maybe humans males in the past have evolved to "practice" on each other before tapping the female. Therefore we should all just be bisexual. I got hit on by a hot blonde chick from Vancouver last night. =)

and i also saw the devils face in the smoke after the planes hit the twin towers lol. An anus was developed for the sole purpose of excretion. What is the advantage of having it shaped cylindrical? Well maybe so we can take shits to excrete lare biproducts that our body can't metabolize.

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Don't forget gays can still produce, but their offspring are not more likely to be gay than straight people's offspring. So this rules out a "pure genetic" factor and shows there is nurture involved at some point.

Now your going to throw your argument out of the window. So your telling me its a preference you have and that typically all gays are bisexual. I can do it with a fat chick but i chose not to. Thats just my personal preference and sexual incline. I have alot of friends that prefer fat girls over skinny ones. IF there is no correlation between offspring and parents then there is no genetic factor, plain and simple. Also, it can't be carried on the Y chromosome because females can also be lesbians. If its a recessive trait it won't be amplified unless both parents have hte gene, If its dominant then one parent would definatley show it.

Purely genetic is out of the question. Im glad we agree on that. Partially genetic is hard to perceive since genetic mutations are usually heritable and there should be lineage linking the trait.

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I disagree with you in that genetic factor is plausible, but it is implausible without nurture, whether it be pre-natal, hormonal influences, chemicals that change gene expression, or something else. Asking this question again: are there such things are boy/girl identical twins?

I agree it has to do with hormones
I agree it has to do with chemical imbalances and Neurotransmitter ratios. All these things have to do with learned behaviour and brain wiring and developement.


Predominatley there is no such thing as identical boy girl twins, there is the rare exception where the zygote splits and you get an extra X chromosome in a male to express Klinefelter's syndrome. Thats a whole other ball game though. Faternal twins develope from different zygotes and are simply two different genetic beings being born at the same time.

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this is an interesting thread, especially regarding the identical twin thing. here's something good. are you all ready for it?

i am an identical twin. my brother is straight. i'm not.

and this had nothing to do with "learning in" in our upbringing. our upbringing was in conservative bible belt central florida, in the winter strawberry capital of the world. i didn't even knew what gay people were until we moved. so it has absolutely nothing to do with upbringing, you're either born with it or you're not, and this applies to identical twins too. sure, you can find some identical twins that are both gay (and a lot that are both straight, obviously), but you can ALSO find some that have one straight and one gay. me & my bro are living proof of this.

there's a lot of ignorance in this thread, btw. who gives a fuck if a little boy wants to play with barbies and not play football? you only live once, he should do what makes him happy and the rest of you have no right to judge him or his parents or the decisions that you'll make for your kid. yah, i played basketball, football, baseball, soccer when i was a kid, but it's because i wanted to. when i stopped playing basketball (the sport i played the longest), it wasn't because i was queer... it was cos i had moved to a new school in the northeast and was intimidated, and was also too short compared to the other kids at that point.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Now your going to throw your argument out of the window.

No dildo, I said it is not PURELY genetics. Meaning I am not disregarding nurture.

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So your telling me its a preference you have and that typically all gays are bisexual. I can do it with a fat chick but i chose not to. Thats just my personal preference and sexual incline.

And your personal preference is regulated, controlled, and expressed by your neurons which developed through a combination of genes and environment. What do you think personality is, some extra force that exists outside the mind? lol

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I have alot of friends that prefer fat girls over skinny ones. IF there is no correlation between offspring and parents then there is no genetic factor, plain and simple. Also, it can't be carried on the Y chromosome because females can also be lesbians. If its a recessive trait it won't be amplified unless both parents have hte gene, If its dominant then one parent would definatley show it.

Counter to your argument, IF there is no correlation between pro-homosexual environments and homosexuals, then there is no cultural factor. There are plenty of homosexuals routinely legally sentenced to death in the Middle East. I don't think being raised in the Middle East made them gay. This example would lead one to think that culture has absolutely nothing to do it being gay.

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Purely genetic is out of the question. Im glad we agree on that. Partially genetic is hard to perceive since genetic mutations are usually heritable and there should be lineage linking the trait.

Gene expression which is controlled by nurture. How about that? Also, what if the same genes can foster different kinds of development? Do you think every neuron in identical twins cell is the same....even before birth? I think not. What if a certain type of gene expression can make different kind of protein at the same time but one type of protein changes the human in one way but the other kind of protein does the opposite?

I have both blonde and brown facial hair. So I have genes telling my face to produce opposing colors of hair. Shouldn't I just have had one color? How did the other color come about? Maybe I absorbed too much of one chemical that turned on another gene.

What if there are two separate lines of genes that regulate attraction towards guys and attraction towards girls? In this case both twins, or anyone in general, has the ability to switch. But somehow that ability is controlled in the womb or through "nature" somehow.

I think I just made an argument validating all possible reasons for being gay are all intertwined. This is good...making me think.

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I agree it has to do with hormones I agree it has to do with chemical imbalances and Neurotransmitter ratios. All these things have to do with learned behaviour and brain wiring and developement.

So then if it is nurture, then I don't think it's anything conscious (see Middle East example above). So maybe it's at a chemical and cellular level....so wtf is that? That's not nurture, but if it's not genes, then what is it? Sounds like nature still to me.

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Oh by the way you totally just got PWNED in the arse by Josh Rising. lol

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Originally posted by josh rising i am an identical twin. my brother is straight. i'm not.

You are amazing. So tell us....did you ask for a barbie when you were 18 months?

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL I love sports! Thankfully I didn't grow up to be a lesbian. I like watching them.. I hate playing them. lol. i guess that's why i'm straight!

i was a cheerleader.
so whats that say.

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i do have the memory of an elephant (but i'm not fat! at all!), but i can't remember that far back, jake. omg it just totally dawned on me that we have the same initials. you knew rising wasn't really my last name, right? no? oh, okay. what does your middle name begin with?


anyway, since i can't remember, i'm assuming i didn't ask for any barbies. i think i barely knew even how to talk and walk. i was a little slow on the uptake.

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Originally posted by josh rising i do have the memory of an elephant (but i'm not fat! at all!), but i can't remember that far back, jake. omg it just totally dawned on me that we have the same initials. you knew rising wasn't really my last name, right? no? oh, okay. what does your middle name begin with? anyway, since i can't remember, i'm assuming i didn't ask for any barbies. i think i barely knew even how to talk and walk. i was a little slow on the uptake.

I wore sweat pants until 7th grade. Does that mean I was black? I complained a lot when I was a kid and I still complain a lot.

Middle name: Louis

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Originally posted by barbina i was a cheerleader. so whats that say.

Did you ever see that movie "But I'm a Cheerleader"?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Did you ever see that movie "But I'm a Cheerleader"?

aha of course. its hilarious. gotta love it
everyone in it is pretty ugly though

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Originally posted by barbina aha of course. its hilarious. gotta love it everyone in it is pretty ugly though

Yeah that's 90s gay films for ya. Everyone is a stereotype and a D list actor.

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sweat pants? oh jake, i'm so disappointed. i shouldn't talk, i wore nascar t-shirts from 1st until 9th grade... this was even after i had moved out of the south.

my middle name does not begin with an L. it begins with a G. i guess our initials are not 100% matched up. shock of all shocks.

yay, msg from you! let me go look.

barbina, are you really a lesbian? or are you just fucking around with us?

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Originally posted by josh rising barbina, are you really a lesbian? or are you just fucking around with us?

no actually im a 50 year old man in serious need of a gastric bypass.

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