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B_man
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Registered: Dec 2006
Location: Red Wing, United States (a deep pit... very deep)

It is sad that digital tools have caused a scrap-heap of music. In an ideal world, better tools would only "raise the bar" not burst the dam. So much power has gone to our heads.

Digital tools have caused more power to be available to the musician than ever before. All the oil paint in the world will not cause everyone to be Leonardo DaVinci... Music, electronic or otherwise, reaching the top, ideally, should be composed, sequenced, performed and edited by people who have musical talent and have forged their skills in the digital medium to perfection. Warped ideals, cultural backslides, the missing voice in the people, the evil in money, and social de-evolution have caused the Frankenstein monster to be unleashed on all your speakers... or has it?


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Trance-M
Since 1994 tranceaddict



Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Limburg, Netherlands
Re: Re: Why is so much music boring these days?

quote:
Originally posted by chucho
maybe you should stop listening to ASOT


Or maybe should start listening.

A.S.O.T. 338 Roy Gates - Come Alive

(or Coast 2 Coast feat. Le Sal and Phoenix- Cut Me Activa remix from another session)


If you don't think these are stunning uplifting tracks I don't know what else is. I'm 33 and listened trance when it was more like "Synthesizer Greatest" without the beat. In my opinion it has become much better even in recent years. I really like the combination with vocals, just like the early house music had. Today's Trance to me still rocks as much as in the late 90's. A real TA never can get enough of Trance.

2007 in Holland was the year that most people ever visited festivals like Sensation, Armin Only, Dance Valley etc.

Sometimes I get the feeling some TA's got stuck in the late 90's, or am I just getting old.......


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andrewyates
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Registered: Jan 2007
Location: Orange County, California

All the more reason to appreciate a good set. Yes there is a lot of junk out there, but when you take your time...even if it means hours on beatport to come up with 10-15 winners...it's worth it. Trust me, there's always been bad music out there, it's just easier to find now


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KiNeTiC ENeRgY
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Boca Raton

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
There's just as much boring music now as there ever was, it's just that nowadays it's much more easy to find (or hard to avoid, whichever way you want to look at it).


I would say theres more crap now than 10 years ago, due to the huge switch from hardware to software that any kid can get a hold of, and these same talentless kids getting these tracks released when they never would of had any chance. Of course this is a good thing as well as lesser known artists that do have talent get picked up as well, but it seems theres more crap to sift through before u find real a gem. Also it seems every artist creates their own label so theres more shittier labels than ever which is a huge issue.

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Trance-M
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Limburg, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
I would say theres more crap now than 10 years ago, due to the huge switch from hardware to software that any kid can get a hold of, and these same talentless kids getting these tracks released when they never would of had any chance. Of course this is a good thing as well as lesser known artists that do have talent get picked up as well, but it seems theres more crap to sift through before u find real a gem. Also it seems every artist creates their own label so theres more shittier labels than ever which is a huge issue.


I agree that it is more difficult to find the tracks you like in the huge number of releases. But 10 years ago there also was a lot of crap, just less internet. There is much more competition than back then. I don't think you can make a decent track without a lot of expensive equipment. I know this because a friend, Lisaya (and Soulcry) has more like a professional studio at his attic in order to make his tracks.


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MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.

There's another side to this issue...

I think that people get bored of music more quickly these days simply because it's so easy to learn about / hear / buy new music now. They're spoiled by abundance.

They get so used to the constant stimulation and ease provided by the Internet and its portals to new music. They download a track from Beatport, wear it out within a few weeks, then forget about it and move on to the next one. Now that the world is overflowing with new tracks, maybe people pay a little less attention to each one.

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GoSpeedGo!
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Registered: May 2006
Location: Eisenstein's laboratory

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
I don't think you can make a decent track without a lot of expensive equipment. I know this because a friend, Lisaya (and Soulcry) has more like a professional studio at his attic in order to make his tracks.


Are you serious?!



Do you really think there is a correlation between the price of equipment and quality of music? Man, there are many people who use shitty basic computer programmes to compose music and they make absolutely wonderful tunes. It's really much more about how you use it than what you've got.


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Trance-M
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Limburg, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
There's another side to this issue...

I think that people get bored of music more quickly these days simply because it's so easy to learn about / hear / buy new music now. They're spoiled by abundance.

They get so used to the constant stimulation and ease provided by the Internet and its portals to new music. They download a track from Beatport, wear it out within a few weeks, then forget about it and move on to the next one. Now that the world is overflowing with new tracks, maybe people pay a little less attention to each one.


Indeed, and also don't forget the majority of people are not that critical like many TA's over here are. They just go with the flow and want to have a good time, nothing more.


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Trance-M
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quote:
Originally posted by paulandrews
Are you serious?!



Do you really think there is a correlation between the price of equipment and quality of music? Man, there are many people who use shitty basic computer programmes to compose music and they make absolutely wonderful tunes. It's really much more about how you use it than what you've got.


I agreed with that last part, but of course there always is a correlation between the price and SOUND equipment produces. Without that Korg and Roland won't exist any more. It's difficult to combine certain sounds and make them all clear without one disappearing in the other. With vocals added it becomes even more difficult. Name me one recent hit which just was made with Cubase or Cakewalk. I agree some people make nice tunes with there pc, but at the end you can hear the difference. Many of those tracks are being remastered before they get released.


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GoSpeedGo!
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Registered: May 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
Name me one recent hit which just was made with Cubase or Cakewalk


This was made with fucking SoundForge.


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Trance-M
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quote:
Originally posted by paulandrews
This was made with fucking SoundForge.


Not a hit, nothing special, not trance but sounds clear. The more instruments are used the more difficult it gets.


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Clovis
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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Los Angeles

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
Not a hit, nothing special, not trance but sounds clear. The more instruments are used the more difficult it gets.



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