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tathi
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awesome backtrack irony doesnt apply to zionists remember? they are gods people, the rules the rest of the world abide by dont apply to them.

bad china bad

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pmoisse
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This really doesn't look photochopped and I would past the Chinese to pull this shit either.


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Trancer-X
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This really doesn't look photochopped and I would past the Chinese to pull this shit either.


Sources at British Spy Agency Confirm Tibetan Claims of Staged Violence


LONDON—Britain's GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.


source:
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-3-27/68095.html

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Swedish IOC member Gunilla Lindberg:

''I think it is very sad. I get angry,'' Lindberg said. ''Using the torch this way is almost a crime. This is the property of the IOC, it is not a Chinese torch.''

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Magnetonium
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quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
Sources at British Spy Agency Confirm Tibetan Claims of Staged Violence


LONDON—Britain's GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.


source:
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-3-27/68095.html


OMFG ... this is the biggest bullshit I've read in the longest time. Yeah sure, Chinese have intentionally decided to ruin the Olympic games legacy for themselves ... oh yeah!

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After my initial glipse of this conflict, and its consequences and the results, I have changed my viewpoint on the situation.

Ask yourself these questions, based on common sense and logic:

Who did most of the rioting and looting around Lhasa, who were its main participants and victims, and who started the riots? Who violated the peace and quiet, who attacked the mosques, the ethnic Chinese shops, other minorities?

Who had the most to gain and benefit from these riots and reprisals by Chinese, and what was the ultimate goal? Also, are these goals realistic at all? How realistic is it that China will be kind and generous enough to grant Tibet independence for monks' peace loving actions?

Also, what the hell do these riots have anything to do with Olympics in Beijing? Why the hell are Tibetan politics get crossed over with games? Isn't it a normal procedure to avoid making political statements and actions when carrying out such a massive sports event to promote unity and peace?

Also, in any other country, when hundreds of people start torching stores, looting, beating people up, causing unrest and using violence - would government and police just sit and do nothing?

I shall skip my answers to these and many other questions and I conclude that these Tibetan riots were part of a well planned and organized event to tarnish China, since the predictable Chinese response was expected (much worse that it did, actually), and its obvious that this would not make the Tibetan situation any better. Tibet is demanding too much - or pardon me, those on BEHALF of Tibet, those forces who infiltrated Tibetans and encouraged them to start riots - they are dumbasses for attempting to use violence to achieve something that even Hong Kong doesnt have. Tibet wasted a perfect opportunity to instead play a political game to wrestle some more autonomy for itself, and instead cashed in on the riots to set itself many steps back in progressing towards independence and greater autonomy. They could have played a political game and wrestled some freedoms in return for broad autonomy, because they had Chinese at their mercy for keeping the Games clean. Instead Tibet tried to stab a huge part of the pie and tried to leapfrog and missed, instead of trying to take it a step at a time.

Chinese response was at first surprisingly slow (perhaps to avoid large scale use of force and resulting bloodshed) and later quite brutal, resulting in numerous deaths of Tibetans, but the rioters are the ones who are to blame. They should've known well in advance what was coming, that ordinary Tibetans were going to die and suffer based on their idiocy and stupidity. They knew they couldn't beat Chinese troops and decided anyway to screw themselves more for a few hours of looting, smashing and beating. Party's over. Realistically even at the best shot Tibetans never had a chance of winning anything. But now they have even more animosity and anger from 1 billion Chinese.

Whats even worse is that Tibetan buddhists have damaged their own reputation by showing how truly peaceful and loving they are, by displaying strong animosity not only against ethnic Chinese, BUT AGAINST MUSLIM MINORITY. Thats right.

We all know how brutal Chinese government is, how evil their regime is. But others shouldn't fall down to their levels as well and let the bloodthirsty beast do what is expected in such a situation. Its just very stupid.

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I would like to add that I am not a hypocrite. I support integrity of ALL countries based on international law, including keeping these regions from achieving independence:

Quebec from Canada
Catalonia / Basques from Spain
Chechnya from Russia
Kosovo from Serbia
Tibet from China
Abkhazia from Georgia
Scotland from UK

and so on and on and on. If we allow any separatist violence to flourish, there will be many independence prone movements all over the world causing all kinds of damage and havoc. I know history is not just and politics have placed borders not accurately, but these issues will never be resolved so there's no need to stirr shit up over and over again. Instead of FREE TIBET it should be MORE RIGHTS TO TIBETANS and similar. Tibetans demand and deserve rights, equality, proper humane treatment. But not independence. Its time the world stays consistent on the issue of separatist / independence movements. Its for the sake of the greater peace, stability and prosperity. Enough violence as it is all over the world - separatist movements aren't helping.

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Fir3start3r
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Jesus Christ!
It's an army of flying Chinese!
(Tibet is screwed)


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OMFG ... this is the biggest bullshit I've read in the longest time. Yeah sure, Chinese have intentionally decided to ruin the Olympic games legacy for themselves ... oh yeah!


Dude.

They're buddhist monks.

Just think about that for a second.

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quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium

I would like to add that I am not a hypocrite.


Everyone is a hypocrite.

The only difference? Some of us are in denial, and some of us realize it.

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Magnetonium
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Dude.

They're buddhist monks.

Just think about that for a second.


OK, I thought about it ... once ... twice ... and?

In the initial stages of that upheaval, it was the Tibetans who displayed strong animosity towards other ethnic groups. They weren't quite peaceful as I thought before. I think personally that they should have followed in Ghandi's footsteps and tried some of that ol' peaceful non-compliance or other peaceful protests.

As I said, they were demanding too much at the wrong place and at the wrong time. Not gonna happen.

Plus, just because they're Buddhist monks - wow, does that mean they are better than the rest of people? Everyone is prone to mistakes, violence, outbreaks of anger and animousity, jealousy, etc. Politics are shit, and it gets the best of us all.

I think that Tibet had all the chances on its side to improve its situation for its great Buddhist people, and they blew it. They concentrated on ruining Chinese Olympic legacy instead of attaining political progress in gaining more rights, autonomy and so forth in return for not spoiling the Games. However, that seemed to be way too boring and way too peaceful.

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tathi
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when China invaded Tibet there was a liberation force that fought for independence, (forgot the name, i saw the doco years ago so my memory is shakey) and they were extremely fierce and feared by Chinese, it was out of respect for the Dalai Lama that they threw down their weapons. The Dalai Llama has preached the middle way and the Chinese have milked him for it for decades, their government cannot empathise with the peacefulness of Buddhism, they see only opportunity and weakness not peace and compassion. If a Tibetan is found in possession of a Tibetan flag in Tibet he is put in jail, their entire culture is being slowly but deliberately diluted and destroyed.

Now their is an entire generation Tibetans who have never seen Tibet who are fucking angry and are pretty much waiting for the Lama to die out of their respect and reverence towards him before the real shit hits the fan where they rise up out of the refugee camps in India and fight against this brutal and oppressive regime using the most effective method available to those otherwise powerless without it - conventional terrorism.

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