There are two entirely different creation stories in Genesis, anyway. They're picky about which ones they use, and when. Grrrr at fundamentalists.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, you know I'm not a creationist or even a Christian, so I'm obviously not defending or counter arguing anything here. But to be fair, the word "yom" in Hebrew, Hebrew being a semitic language, isn't rectricted to a singular meaning and like other semitic languages does have several shades of meaning. "Yom" can referd to: a point in time a twenty-four hour period a year (at least in it's plural form) a general and vague reference to an undefined period of "time," the period of light Modern academics and Hebrew authorities attest that "Yom" is cab be used to denote anywhere from twelve hours up to a year, as well even a undefined time period. Just wanted to add that.

I've encountered that argument, but I am not familiar with any passage in the OT where "yom" denotes anything other than a "day" (which could be a 12 hour period, a 24 hour period or the period of daylight) rather than an indeterminate period of time. The Genesis account defines the word explicitly, and it comes straight from the mouth of god himself:

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3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day" ("yom"), and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day ("yom").

"Yom" here is defined as the period of daylight, or, perhaps, the period of time that encompasses "day", "night", "evening" and "morning" (in other words a 24 hour period). There is just simply no way, from the context, that it could mean anything else.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ fundamnetalists.

Heh.

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Originally posted by Renegade Heh.

EDIT: Please tell me that unrelated to the rest of your post.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: Please tell me that unrelated to the rest of your post.

It was a reply to _Ocean_Drive_ who misspelt "fundamentalists" with hilarious consequences.

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Originally posted by ******** GOD AND SCIENCE.ORG STATES symbolic. The Hebrew word yom1 has three literal meanings - a 12-hour period of time (sunrise to sunset), a 24-hour period of time from sunset to sunset (the Hebrew day), and an indefinite period of time. THE THIRD MEANING WOULD STATE YOUR EARLIER STATEMENT AS INCORRECT " an indefinite period of time. " thus there is no set lapse in "time" just denoting different sets of ocurence " of events. There wasn't even light to begin with.. or darkness. So 12 and 24 hour days of light and dark... or even a Sun (as the heavens hadn't been made yet.. really have no bearing.. for the meaning of Yom in genesis. If only more christian creationists knew hebrew they could solve all their reality disparity problems. It is important to understand.. god doesn't have normal days.. his days are special... it is like being strung out for an extended period of time.. you wake up.. hear a bunch of voices.. maybe hallucinate (if you choose not to intervene) ... maybe have a holy life changing experience... realize that you havn't eaten in ages... and havn't slept in god knows how long.. you know.. the guy even stopped the sun once.. and made it.... you think when he'd like the lights on they stay on... or for that matter he takes the time to enjoy the sunset and sunrise.. for as long as he'd like. u dig.

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I was once blinded by creationism, having grown up since an early age in various churches, both pentecostal and moderate, I have come to find out that a lot of these literal interpretations of bible really are ludicrous, and in my opinion, limits god to that interpretation. Dispensationalism is one example.

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