if their are scene kids and indie kids. what does that make us?

i really liked that article, interesting read.

Good article. I haven't really experienced this either, though. Probably because I don't talk to any indie cats, that I can think of.

I blame dubstep.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Fantastic article. I haven't really experienced it though, because (in complete opposition to what I expected) since going to university I can't find anyone who listens to dance music that isn't in the charts.

aren't you at uni in sheffield? if so you've got no fucking excuse whatsoever, you have Urban Gorilla on your doorstep once a month showcasing some of the finest EDM talent about (A Guy Called Gerald and Paul Woolford last friday, Evil Nine and Lopazz live at the end of next month, and Sasha, Switch and Ame the month after that), their offshoot Bug at DQ (which would be a great introduction to dance music for mates that aren't into it) which has had some fucking great acts (C2C particularly stand out), plus god knows how many other specialist dance nights as well.
sort it the fuck out man.

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Originally posted by Project-K Indie kids don't care about music, they just want to tell their friends about obscure genres and artists because they think it makes them look cool and sophisticated.

pretty much. and the abstract shit some of them listen to (see xiu xiu) is absolute wankery

actually it's funny because my roommates (and i love them to death) are textbook hipsters and when i first sent them an email about the apartment i live in, and I told them I play dub techno among other things, the only response back was.

"oh cool, i love dub"


i've yet to get them to come out with me to some quality nights. the worst though is when they claim to be deejays and you ask them what they play and they say "party music".

they really just do not get it when day after day, for hours I listen to dance music, DJ dance music, and produce dance music. i live it and breathe it. i am even doing a thesis project that has a lot to do with it.


When I walk outside my room there are some baked kids strumming a guitar or listening to coltrane or occasionally playing the tabla (which I love). they dabble half-assedly in music and muse about it with next to no deep knowledge of it


I've gotten through to them a few times given out some cds, and the one time I played a house party they seemed to enjoy it, even though I wasn't playing MSTRKRFT, kompakt, m83, or afrika bambataa.


but the article is right - they lack the frame of reference. it is another breed of people entirely.

i loved this part of the article:

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‘What time is Superpitcher playing?’ he asked the bartender, checking his watch and thinking, sheesh, it’s ten o’clock already. ‘About five AM,’ replied a pierced fellow polishing a glass. ‘Fuck that,’ he said, and went home.

that's about it!

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Originally posted by nefardec actually it's funny because my roommates (and i love them to death) are textbook hipsters and when i first sent them an email about the apartment i live in, and I told them I play dub techno among other things, the only response back was. "oh cool, i love dub" i've yet to get them to come out with me to some quality nights. the worst though is when they claim to be deejays and you ask them what they play and they say "party music". they really just do not get it when day after day, for hours I listen to dance music, DJ dance music, and produce dance music. i live it and breathe it. i am even doing a thesis project that has a lot to do with it. When I walk outside my room there are some baked kids strumming a guitar or listening to coltrane or occasionally playing the tabla (which I love). they dabble half-assedly in music and muse about it with next to no deep knowledge of it I've gotten through to them a few times given out some cds, and the one time I played a house party they seemed to enjoy it, even though I wasn't playing MSTRKRFT, kompakt, m83, or afrika bambataa. but the article is right - they lack the frame of reference. it is another breed of people entirely. i loved this part of the article: that's about it!

well said

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Originally posted by PETRAN Nah i prefer "Tech-House" m8. oh wait...you don't know the difference!?

I was going to come back in and make you look the twat that you are but I see you've managed to achieve that all on your own. Well done, 'm8.'

These indie kids frame of reference for dance music is like my frame reference for rock music. I found a few bands who I like (Vampire Weekend, Of Montreal, Mystery Jets for example) and try to follow when I need a break from edm, but since I've been on a pretty heavy EDM diet the last five years or so, I don't really know if these bands I like are really good or just pleasing to my ears that basically know NOTHING about non EDM music.

I would say maybe give these hipster bloggers the benefit of the doubt sometimes, maybe they genuinely like what they're hearing from Kompakt and DFA etc. I really like some Kompakt and DFA stuff, Gui Boratto and The Field and Michael Mayer and all that are pretty good. Better to have these types of EDM noobs around than trance crackers, right?

Or maybe it really is just them trying to be cool like everyone else is saying. Anything for an edge with those hot hipster girls.

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Originally posted by nefardec I told them I play dub techno among other things, the only response back was. "oh cool, i love dub"

That's perfect.

There's musical exchange going on between the two camps, yet when we have to communicate about the music or experience it together, suddenly serious misunderstanding appears.

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Originally posted by stevo_0 if their are scene kids and indie kids. what does that make us? i really liked that article, interesting read.

Judging from the posts here in TA music discussion and the political forum, really the only difference between a hipster and an edm head is one's more rock the other is electronic dance music.

Early on, dance music had almost a punk-rock ethic (you know what i mean TA-edmhipsters, don't play semantics with me). Now it's more mainstreme.

And the reason why hipsters like techno is because it's "post modern" and "minimal" and it goes with their crap, skillless, minimalist paintings they made because they can't draw at all.

Also, dance music and rock music are rivals ( remember the disco sucks movement? in the USA?). Dance music uses awesome futuristic technology FROM THE FUTURE, and the other uses primitive instruments invented by cavemen, and rock music, to rock fans, is more "real" whatever the hell that means. Wouldn't it be cool if you rebeled against your hipster friends and went to the rival camp?

/bias

Moral of the story: punch all the hipsters you see.

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Originally posted by Docuebag 100% Judging from the posts here in TA music discussion and the political forum, really the only difference between a hipster and an edm head is one's more rock the other is electronic dance music. Early on, dance music had almost a punk-rock ethic (you know what i mean TA-edmhipsters, don't play semantics with me). Now it's more mainstreme. And the reason why hipsters like techno is because it's "post modern" and "minimal" and it goes with their crap, skillless, minimalist paintings they made because they can't draw at all. Also, dance music and rock music are rivals ( remember the disco sucks movement? in the USA?). Dance music uses awesome futuristic technology FROM THE FUTURE, and the other uses primitive instruments invented by cavemen, and rock music, to rock fans, is more "real" whatever the hell that means. Wouldn't it be cool if you rebeled against your hipster friends and went to the rival camp? /bias Moral of the story: punch all the hipsters you see.

This post has a medieval mentality to it...


Seriously wtf is this EDM-rock war, this reminds me of some ancient days. Can't someone appreciate everything? I selectively like a few sub-genres of EDM like deep/tech house, detroit techno, i like IDM, i like ambient and i like various subgenres of rock as well. And to tell you the truth its completely idiotic to sharply differentiate rock from electronic music, since some sub-genres of rock like shoegaze sound closer to ambient then to other forms of rock (such as the Rolling Stones!). Some sub-genres of rock such as the German 70s Kraut-Rock scene have largely contributed to, or perhaps invented, electronic music. There are lots of modern post-rock bands which in the end of the day create ambient music only with with more analogue organs, and the are EDM musicians like Trentemoller and The Field who are influenced by more alternative types of rock. There are sounding patterns which are common in both gernes. The differences just come from attitudes and stereotypes not music.

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Originally posted by PETRAN This post has a medieval mentality to it...

ok, i guess i should've been more clear in my post. My comment on rock music being made on stone age technology and making fun of wasn't meant to be taken seriously, because I was partly joking. /bias

I'm just making fun of hipsters. They are horrible human beings, all of them. I'm just pointing out hipster/scene kid hypocracy. All those street cred wannabes, and gentrifying ey-holes who think they're intellectual in their ivory towers.