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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Classical artists were experimenting with loops of all kinds long before the Beatles were even heard of.

seriously..

OP, ever heard the term "rondo"?

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Originally posted by zabrak no no i'm talking about just BANDS here.

Arbitrary much?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Classical artists were experimenting with loops of all kinds long before the Beatles were even heard of. "Revolution 9" is just the Beatles assimilating the decades-old musique concrete techniques pioneered by classical artists like Varese and John Cage. Be very careful when talking about pop-rock outfits as "pioneers," because it's almost certain that they're just taking their cues from people who did the same stuff long before -- usually jazz or classical artists. That's where most of the real experimentation goes on. Sure, those things were new to pop music, but certainly not to music as a whole.

Like I said I was not certain that the beatles started tape looping. I just remember The Beatles had something to do with tape looping...P:robably popularized it? Or greatly help help it. As with Revolution 9, I never said they started that genre either, I was just showing their immense variety in music...Whicht that piece was far from pop music.

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Originally posted by nefardec seriously.. OP, ever heard the term "rondo"?

Wrong. The Beatles did not just merely take what was already existing and popularize it. Here is a list, but not limited to of things that the beatles did - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Be...music_recording

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Originally posted by zabrak Like I said I was not certain that the beatles started tape looping. I just remember The Beatles had something to do with tape looping...P:robably popularized it?

Probably.

Steve Reich and Karlheinz Stockhausen had already done it.

The impression that the Beatles were the first to do these things is understandable, though. The popular image of classical music is one of a hidebound musical tradition, resistant to innovation of any kind, when that's about as far from the truth as you can get. Many of the pioneers of synthesizers and electronic music were either classically trained or working closely with people who were.

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Originally posted by zabrak Wrong. The Beatles did not just merely take what was already existing and popularize it. Here is a list, but not limited to of things that the beatles did - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Be...music_recording

how is that related to what you quoted from me?

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Originally posted by nefardec how is that related to what you quoted from me?

Nothing really. I wanted to attack you somehow

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Originally posted by hkaliher ...then try to force the square peg in the round hole for a while

They did it for Apollo 13!!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Probably. Steve Reich and Karlheinz Stockhausen had already done it. The impression that the Beatles were the first to do these things is understandable, though. The popular image of classical music is one of a hidebound musical tradition, resistant to innovation of any kind, when that's about as far from the truth as you can get. Many of the pioneers of synthesizers and electronic music were either classically trained or working closely with people who were.

Fine

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Originally posted by zabrak Nothing really. I wanted to attack you somehow

i love you too zabs

Could this thread become even more entertaining than the one that spawned it? Let's stay tuned and find out...

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