And anyone who thinks I didn't know exactly what I was in for when I created this thread should really know better.

I knew mentioning Radio Slave in the same breath as Deadmau5 would get you monkey's riled up.

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Originally posted by RJT And anyone who thinks I didn't know exactly what I was in for when I created this thread should really know better. I knew mentioning Radio Slave in the same breath as Deadmau5 would get you monkey's riled up.

Gimme a break i'm new here

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Originally posted by RJT See, I get all of this - believe me. No one is going to fault anyone in this thread for just liking whatever they do - taste is taste. I just think it's interesting that both Deadmau5 and Radio Slave are the epitome of formulaic EDM producers, yet their work is received so differently, which was really the point of this thread and not which one is "better." I just don't think statements that are effectively little more than "I like the noises he uses" can really account for, or justify, such a massive difference in reception. Anyways, people should just be listening to stuff on Kompakt. That's where the entertaining music is.

Well then I see you read the guide on how to argue over the internet

This was your original question, first post: Does someone want to try and tell me that the quality of RS tunes is somehow objectively better?

Well, it's obviously going to be subjective.

The fact is, and you can admit this too: Deadmau5 found a sound, beat it to death in a year or so, whereas RS is far more versatile in his production skills.

Well part of it is because Radio Slave IS seen as cool, and HAS achieved (IMO) greatness. (Bell Clap Dance, Deer In The Headlights Remix), so people cut him slack. Deadmousse on the other hand, has pretty much been on a downward spiral since Faxing Berlin. With Radio Slave, probably a lot of those kids who don't really pay attention or aren't opinionated don't hate on him, for fear of myself or Asbrey chewing them to bits. Also, it's a lot easier to jump on the hate train than it is to start it.

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Originally posted by RJT I just don't think statements that are effectively little more than "I like the noises he uses" can really account for, or justify, such a massive difference in reception.

But thats pretty much all it is for me. It's a small difference that makes the WORLD. His music is vastly more subtle and interesting to me than deadmouse preset, "heard this before" sounding stuff, not only in sounds used but the way the sounds are arranged and structured. Just the tiny little cracks and pops and shuffles in Radio Slave's percussion I love, and the ridiculously subtle bass hits that beef up the kick in tracks like dead souls or the unkle remix. Also, I'm a DJ and I like really fucking long mixes and layering and his tracks are great for that.

It doesn't sound like much but imo its the difference between interesting music that I enjoy and music that is far too predictable and worn out for my liking.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

i was never a radio slave fan


but i do like tatatkanaktakanan or whatever it is


there are better masters of repetition and they started making music a long time ago


i think this question is a matter of taste.


Radio Slave is dirtier, darker, and funkier and thus more enjoyed by serious clubbers and drug users whereas deadmau5 is fluffy and accessible and thus enjoyed by novice types. Radio Slave's tracks create a basic framework and mood that allows for interpretation and Deadmau5 tracks tell a crowd how to react.


That said, even Francois K plays Faxing Berlin! (And Bell Clap Dance too!)

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Originally posted by julien2 This was your original question, first post: Does someone want to try and tell me that the quality of RS tunes is somehow objectively better? Well, it's obviously going to be subjective.

It's called "baiting" and boy did you ever bite - which is part of what makes all this so entertaining for me.

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Originally posted by julien2 The fact is, and you can admit this too: Deadmau5 found a sound, beat it to death in a year or so, whereas RS is far more versatile in his production skills.

No, I won't admit it. I think Radio Slave has also beat his sound to death in a year, and there's nothing you can say that is going to change that.

Though it's amusing to hear you say "It's all subjective" and then follow it with "You can admit this too . . . Radio Slave is far more versatile in his production skills."

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Originally posted by Clovis Well part of it is because Radio Slave IS seen as cool, and HAS achieved (IMO) greatness. (Bell Clap Dance, Deer In The Headlights Remix), so people cut him slack. Deadmousse on the other hand, has pretty much been on a downward spiral since Faxing Berlin. With Radio Slave, probably a lot of those kids who don't really pay attention or aren't opinionated don't hate on him, for fear of myself or Asbrey chewing them to bits. Also, it's a lot easier to jump on the hate train than it is to start it.

Bingo. We have a winner.

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Originally posted by Clovis But thats pretty much all it is for me. It's a small difference that makes the WORLD. His music is vastly more subtle and interesting to me than deadmouse preset, "heard this before" sounding stuff, not only in sounds used but the way the sounds are arranged and structured. Just the tiny little cracks and pops and shuffles in Radio Slave's percussion I love, and the ridiculously subtle bass hits that beef up the kick in tracks like dead souls or the unkle remix. Also, I'm a DJ and I like really fucking long mixes and layering and his tracks are great for that. It doesn't sound like much but imo its the difference between interesting music that I enjoy and music that is far too predictable and worn out for my liking.

Right, but again - that's taste. I happen to think Radio Slave is the height of predictability - I know exactly what all of his tunes are going to do for the entire duration based on a two minute Beatport sample and prior experience.

And again, this isn't saying I don't enjoy playing around with his tunes quite a bit (I played 4 minutes of his remix of "Eleny" out this past weekend), I just felt like calling a spade a spade today, and for me there isn't any innovation in Radio Slave tunes. It's very much as you describe with Deadmau5 - I feel like he has maybe 10 preset MIDI arrangements he just plugs different VST's into that will create a signature RS tune.

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Originally posted by RJT Right, but again - that's taste. I happen to think Radio Slave is the height of predictability - I know exactly what all of his tunes are going to do for the entire duration based on a two minute Beatport sample and prior experience.

I don't think that's necessarily bad. With A lot of the tracks I buy, I buy them because of their 'sound' alone, and the mood that creates. I try to create movement through the overlay and sequence of several tracks.

With deadmau5 tracks, the movement is already in the track - it's like a prefabricated moment. That makes it boring for me to play as a DJ.

I almost always think about music in relation to how I would use it in a DJ set (I can't help it, and I think it only makes sense with club-oriented music anyways) and this is the main, functional reason I don't play deadmau5 tracks. The secondary, more subjective reason would be that I don't like the sound of his tracks or the mood seems too plastic to me.

Well, Rob, I have good taste.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by nefardec I don't think that's necessarily bad. With A lot of the tracks I buy, I buy them because of their 'sound' alone, and the mood that creates. I try to create movement through the overlay and sequence of several tracks. With deadmau5 tracks, the movement is already in the track - it's like a prefabricated moment. That makes it boring for me to play as a DJ. I almost always think about music in relation to how I would use it in a DJ set (I can't help it, and I think it only makes sense with club-oriented music anyways) and this is the main, functional reason I don't play deadmau5 tracks. The secondary, more subjective reason would be that I don't like the sound of his tracks or the mood seems too plastic to me.

I don't think it's bad either. I've actually been trying to play some stuff from Ben Brown and a few other MWTA's when I'm just screwing around lately and have found that the kinds of tunes that you're describing (with very, very clear arrangements - the kinds of tunes that demand you mix them a certain way) I'm completely clueless. I can't play them, I don't have a clue what to do with them - I just don't "get it."

I just think the fact that one group will accept the formula without question when it comes to their tastes, yet argue, bitch, and moan about something being "too formulaic" when in reality they just don't like it, is an interesting hypocrisy that every single one of us can probably look back on and say "Huh, that was my gut reaction and I didn't even realize how ridiculous it sounds in hindsight."

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Originally posted by Clovis Well, Rob, I have good taste.

Oh believe me, I know - but I still think the RS mixes of whatever the hell tune that was on Emfire and the Dead Souls remix are pants.

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Originally posted by Clovis I'm just saying, theres people who think about shit before talking, and people who don't.

no. you just happen to like his music, thats all. so what if i make an offensive remark questioning him being genuine.