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LazFX
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quote:
Originally posted by Zild
True but people like to think it doesn't happen in the West.


shit one could say what Hispanics get for picking produce, the wages, living conditions could be considered slave labor...
but as long as Trevor and Buffy get their grapefruits, wine and parsnips , no one cares....

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Zild
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Something does need to be done about that, but it isn't the same and stealing and selling women for sex.

Don't get my wrong my father was a migrant worker, and had to always start school late after the harvest. His first language was Spanish, and he was told he would never make anything out of himself. Still he put himself through school while married with children, and became one of the most prominent Hispanic lawyers in the state. He even founded the Texas Mexican American Bar Association, so it really isn't the same as being held captive.


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quote:
Originally posted by LazFX
shit one could say what Hispanics get for picking produce, the wages, living conditions could be considered slave labor...
but as long as Trevor and Buffy get their grapefruits, wine and parsnips , no one cares....


alternatively, they choose to do it....slavery, on the other hand, is forced labor.

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LazFX
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quote:
Originally posted by Zild

Don't get my wrong my father was a migrant worker, and had to always start school late after the harvest. His first language was Spanish, and he was told he would never make anything out of himself. Still he put himself through school while married with children, and became one of the most prominent Hispanic lawyers in the state. He even founded the Texas Mexican American Bar Association, so it really isn't the same as being held captive.

Thats kick ass man...

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Ishad
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I dont understand what kind of sick gang is this Austrian Police is.. all they seems to be inetersted in is proving that this guy acted alone and noone else knew about it.

"Colonel Polzer" as he likes to be called is too interested in shooing the media away from the campsite.. he emphasises that the investigation would continue for months again and again.. so that media guys looses interest in this and stop asking questions (which btw Austrians never did). All further questioning of Mr Fritzl has been delayed until next week for no reason. Many basic elements of the investigation have not even been started. Rosemarie, his wife, has yet to be questioned. Police asked her whether she knew what was going on, she said 'no' and that is it.. they found her denial credible. Police give bullshit emotional crappy statements like 'a mother cant let this happen to her daughter!!' and shit like that..

Conduct and handling of the case is miserable. Who tipped off the police if not an accomplice???!! Police says “Knowing about a crime is not the same as being an accomplice,” Oh IS IT??? Tipper is fucking rapist. “The rapist asked anonymity and we will respect that.” The police seem determined to rule out any possibility of someone being in league.

The door to the dungeon - which had received building permission as a nuclear fallout shelter - weighed 300kg (660lb) and could only have been hinged into position with the help of someone else. Mr Fritzl, went on several holidays, including at least one three-week stay in Thailand, leaving Elisabeth and her children in the cellar. Even if the small pantry was full of cans it is unlikely that there would have been enough food to feed them. And there are still questions about how the imprisoned relatives disposed of their rubbish. Police blocked questions on the issue and seemed even to deny knowledge of Mr Fritzl's holidays and absences. They say “If there is a home video from this Thailand trip then we would like the media to give it to us and we will then think about it.” The video, shown widely on television for past one week and they have not seen it and pretend to know nothing about it, yet again Austrians love to not care, to not know, to not ask, to not bother at all.


And I dont understand what kindda sick people live in Austria.. six sick individuals listed below:

One, Sabine Kirschbichler, lived for two years in the house and told the magazine that she frequently saw Mr Fritzl carrying heavy bags of shopping into the cellar after dark..

Two, Mr Fritzl's sister-in-law has revealed that the engineer often spent the whole night in the dungeon under the house. She said that he made daily visits to his cellar on the pretext that he had work to do and would tell other family members, not to disturb him. I mean common dont disturb him for freaking 24 YEARS??!! Ok you visit once a month.. dont disturb than.. than its okay.. but when you freaking visit the place DAILY FOR TWENTY FOUR YEARS and asks not to be disturbed dosent it get a tiny suspicious????!!!!

Three, Alfred Dubanovsky a lodger at the Austrian house says he saw another man go to the cellar where the abuse happened. He told the BBC the man was introduced as a plumber to him by fritz. Who was this plumber who visited the place when she was in? This Mr Dubanovsky assumed the basement was being used as a storeroom because a neighbour said to him Mr Fritzl often took food down to the cellar, which is four, the neighbour.

Five, he began to expand the underground dungeon from initially one room to three when she became pregnant, yet again NOONE noticed ANYTHING! Only in AUSTRIA!!

Six, fire inspectors routinely checked a heating boiler in the cellar in 1999. Nothing noticed!


Police and local Austrians have prolonged the agony of Elisabeth Fritzl, for almost a quarter of a century.

“Elisabeth ran away from that house as a girl, police searched for her, brought her back and delivered her back into the violent embrace of her father,” says Hedwig Woelfl, the director of a child protection centre in Austria. “Running away from home was a clear sign of unhappiness ... but nobody apparently showed any interest in the fate of this girl.” The chief executive of the region, Hans Heinz Lenze, showed reporters documents proving that his council's go-ahead for the adoption of three of Ms Fritzl's children was legal: no trace of a sex crime could be found. Social welfare teams visited the house 21 times, but never looked around. Yet the building had in the space of a decade registered one missing person and made the claim that three babies had been dumped on the doorstep. Yes one MISING for 24 years and yet babies popped up at doors and noone asked anything? Oh Asmetten!! What kindda place are you?

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shaolin_Z
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Hey ******, I mean, Ishad, if you don't like being a victim bigotry try not to be a bigot yourself alright?


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Fir3start3r
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quote:
Originally posted by Zild
Something does need to be done about that, but it isn't the same and stealing and selling women for sex.

Don't get my wrong my father was a migrant worker, and had to always start school late after the harvest. His first language was Spanish, and he was told he would never make anything out of himself. Still he put himself through school while married with children, and became one of the most prominent Hispanic lawyers in the state. He even founded the Texas Mexican American Bar Association, so it really isn't the same as being held captive.


See, it's people like your father Zild that blow away excuses of others playing the victim card and I love hearing it.

You try and argue with these type of people and all you ever hear back is, "Well you just don't understand" - meanwhile there are others, like Zild's father that don't except these barriers and show guts to change their situation.

That's awesome btw Zild


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pkcRAISTLIN
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See, it's people like your father Zild that blow away excuses of others playing the victim card and I love hearing it.



I hardly think exceptions to the rule necessarily disprove it.


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Ishad
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A lodger who once lived in Josef Fritzl’s House of Horrors claimed yesterday that he had known that the Austrian electrician was sexually abusing his daughter Elisabeth.

Sepp Leitner, who lived in Mr Fritzl’s house for four years in the early 1980s, said in a television interview that a female neighbour had told him that her friend Elisabeth had been raped by her father.

According to Mr Leitner, the neighbour even helped Elisabeth to run away to Vienna but the teenager was tracked down by police and brought back to Amstetten at her father’s behest. “Elisabeth was repeatedly raped by her father. She could not take it to live at home anymore and tried to escape,” Mr Leitner told the Austrian private television channel ATV.

“She had taken sleeping pills and went to Vienna. But the police found her and they, or her father, brought her back home.” Mr Leitner did not explain why he and the unnamed neighbour failed to alert the police about Elisabeth’s plight, though he hinted darkly at their fear of the landlord’s “revenge”. Mr Leitner said that he was still tormented by nightmares.

The Fritzl home in Amstetten is full of mysteries. It is a physical labyrinth that mirrors the convoluted plans, frustrations and desires inside Mr Fritzl’s mind. Sausage, fresh milk and cheese, for example, would disappear overnight from the fridges of the tenants rather as if the little people from The Borrowers were foraging for titbits.

The real reason was that Mr Fritzl would use his master key to slip into the tenants’ flats to pilfer provisions for Elisabeth and their three children. That was on the days when he did not have time for a shopping expedition. “I took care of them all,” Mr Frizl told police in his first (and only) interrogation. “I meant well.”

The rest of the family probably sees things differently. This man stole the childhood of at least three of his children – one of whom is still fighting for her life in hospital – lied to and manipulated the others, and raped and humilated his own daughter for a quarter of a century.

The sheer relief of the reunited Fritzl family, sheltered in a clinic, tells its own story: they have all been living in fear, and that fear is now subsiding. Mr Fritzl’s dark, hidden life seems to have been – in his mind alone – steered by a twisted love for his daughter Elisabeth, whom he called Liesel.

He started to abuse her when she was 11, in 1977. She was a pale, proud red-haired girl, the only child not to bow to her father’s snarling, changing moods. Her elder siblings kept their heads down, vowed to get married and leave the house as quickly as possible.

Their mother, Rosemarie, seemed not to notice that there was something odd in the tense, bickering relationship. The following year Mr Fritzl successfully sought building permission to extend his cellar and make a bunker that could resist nuclear fallout. Was there already a plan to imprison his daughter?

Elisabeth started to run away from home – once to Vienna, as the lodger suggests – and was beaten when she returned. At 16 she left home to work as a waitress and live in a hostel. Either because he was afraid of her betraying the sex secret, or because he couldn’t stand to lose her, Mr Fritzl decided that she should disappear. The calculating part of the Fritzl mind came again into play: he waited until she was 18 before drugging and handcuffing her. At this age she became just another adult missing person.

The abduction seems then to have been about control – breaking the will of a daughter who defied him. Mr Fritzl had reportedly raped before but sexual possession appears to have been only part of the equation. Part of him became engrossed in the mechanics of deception. Most of his ruses would not have worked in other societies but were enough to fool the Austrian bureaucracy.

He persuaded the community that Elisabeth had joined a Satanic sect and that over a decade she had dumped three children on his doorstep. When asked about her he would shrug and say that Interpol was on the case. “When Elisabeth’s third child was laid at the door we asked Sepp [Fritzl’s nickname] if maybe he shouldn’t try to find out about this sect,” says Christine R, sister of Rosemarie. “His answer was: ‘No point’. His word was law.”

Below stairs the signs suggest that he was beginning to see Elisabeth more as a lover. On his Thailand holiday in 1998 a video showed him buying a dress for a slim woman. “My secret girlfriend,” he told his travelling companion, “Don’t tell the wife.” Throughout the ordeal, Elisabeth probably drew her strength from her maternal instinct, her readiness to defy her torturer to protect her children.

There were times when Mr Fritzl did not need much persuading; he dutifully took her shopping lists and ultimately agreed to let her out of the dungeon to shield their critically ill 19-year-old daughter. Now Josef Fritzl is sharing a small prison cell with a man accused of attempted murder. He enjoyed an hour’s walk in the sun-dappled exercise yard – an incomparably more privileged existence than he allowed his captive family.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle3863885.ece

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Zild
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quote:
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I hardly think exceptions to the rule necessarily disprove it.


I was only trying to illustrate the marked difference between a dirt poor migrant worker and a sex slave.


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Asaiayh
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Worst than Hitler.wasnet hitler an austrian?

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Hitler was Czechoslovakian, fool!


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