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Originally posted by PETRAN Yeah but Dj Shadow's music (or Amon Tobin's for that matter) is a very special kind of experimental abstract hip-hop which is usually build on top of very basic loops.

I think you're being pretty extreme calling the samples "very basic".

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Imagine a melodic lead-line, like the one featured in "Lush 3.1" by Orbital, sold on its own. Now, because this lead-line is musically complex, it would be rather difficult to find elements like bass-lines to match it (in terms of notes). This idea simply doesn't seem to work in types of music that retain a certain musicianship. Unless all future EDM is a type of abstract tapestry made of micro-loops with no specific themes or melodies or whatsoever. Or basic minimal techno...

Firstly, I don't know which bit of Lush 3.1 you think is "musically complex", considering a few days ago you were calling the piano in Water From A Vine Leaf "simple" to suit your argument. Secondly, if you listen to Lush 3.1, the supporting elements are pretty simple loops no more complex than anything Shadow has ever sampled. The bassline is one loop that doesn't alter regardless of what any other element is doing, ditto the synth loop that opens the track and pretty much everything but the lead.

The requirements of DJing have already made electronic music necessarily simple: it's almost always in 4/4, it almost never changes tempo mid-track and it is usually strictly phrased. There are obvious limits to the complexity of the music in the idea, but that doesn't necessarily mean very much.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I know you've mentioned it before but it's something that seems too out-there for anything but the most experimental of scenes right now. I can't see a precedent for the idea to be profitable.

maybe.


it's taking off in architecture at the moment. there is software that lets you input the program of your desired building, area, sizes of windows, colors, materials, etc and it generates a building down to the smallest detail drawings of window joints.

I suppose architecture is a bit different because it's something that is used in a very utilitarian way in the vast majority of cases, whereas music has always been this sort of otherworldly thing.




I see what Petran is saying about an interactive future and maybe something like the microsoft surface or that crazy light table thing will become more popular.




My guess is that things won't change very much until there is a really important invention.



Something else I think we might see happening through the use of those hypers-specific laser-like speakers is a kind of grid of sound which projects signal back to the visitor beneath it as it tracks him across the room, letting everyone hear something a little different based on their preferences.

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i agree with op. future will be more live performing of music. and yea producers have been doing it for years, but a lot of them suck at it, usually because the music is too complex to perform live, the hardware/physical interface is too limiting. dj sets always sounded better than PAs, most PAs today sound boring (imo), but then you have a very few that pull it off and actually sound good.

yes its regressive in that its going back to rockstar mentality bla bla, but thats how things go, the old stuff gets reinvented in the future, usually a 20 year cycle. for example a lot of elements of the 80's is big right now, in clothes and in music, even in drugs (coke is huge right now). about 10 years ago the style was sort of 70's ish, and then "that 70's show" comes out, people are wearing bell bottomish jeans, music was trippier, etc.

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Originally posted by RJT I think Ben has a pretty good idea what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by nefardec I think Julien's right, though - you won't get a band playing a seven hour DJ set, so it sort of balances out if you're a bean-counter.

Both are true. Some very well-known DJs (even internationally) in Montreal have told me that doing a live act is actually paid less than DJ sets. Plus, you have to take into consideration the time put in a live act. It might be the same pay, but in the end, a DJ set is "less work", in the sense that you don't have to "compose" tracks and carry equipment and all.

Maybe what Ben meant was about big name live acts, that get booked to play DJ and get paid less.

But for many guys, playing a 1h live act and playing a 7hr DJ set, the money is obviously not the same.