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Moral Hazard
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Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by jennypie
Hahah...I love that no matter how many times it's mentioned, everyone is always armed and ready to fight this fight.


I no fight, I discuss.


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quote:
Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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RJT
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quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Indeed, my argument does hing on the assumption that we have free will. Interestingly, I've actually questioned on many occasions whether or not that is true or we just believe our will is free because we prefer to not think of ourselves as slaves. Ultimately, I cannot assert that this is absolutely true; however, I accept that it is as I cannot see any rational reason for an entity capable of creating the universe to create life therein if they are mearly appendages to himself.

As far as the omnis go, I've struggled. Ultimately, I believe that god must have the ability to be omniscient and omnipotent; however, he has elected to not intervien in the day to day affairs of man (which was once a source of a feeling I had toward god which bordered on hatred). This position does not negate omniscientance or omnipotentance as it is of god's choice not to exercise his omnipotentance thus rendering his non-omniscient. There is a difference between not exercising his abilities and not having them. With regard to the omnibenevolence, I've never accepted that as it pertains to the time we (all living things) spend in physical form, I believe that it is not until after this life that god's omnibenevolence is exercised. I will happily admit; however, that my position on this is really my own based on a number of theological traditions and philisophical positions reconsiled through my own (possibly flawed) reason.

I always enjoy your questions, Rob. Please forgive me if my explenations are clumsy today, I'm fighing the flu and not at the top of my game.


You never have to apologize, Craig - and I think you actually provided a very thorough response. To be honest, I only asked because I had a hunch it'd be something you'd have thought about, and knowing that you're a theist who can probably articulate their position better than most others, I always like to hear what you have to say about these kinds of things.

In the end, all of our beliefs rely on assumptions (something I'm sure I've spouted off about on here before), so one can hardly fault any theist for nothing more than having their metaphysical beliefs based on some fundamental assumptions (anyone who tells you theirs doesn't is either lying or in denial). Your position is, I think, indicative of the traditional Christian response, or perhaps more specifically, a traditional Catholic response - just a bit more thought out. I think a lot of others would share your view (maybe without even really knowing it).

Either way, did you see the paper I posted on here a few weeks back? It has kind of a lot on free will in it - but it's fairly lengthy.

If you'd like it I'd be happy to pass it along.


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Silky Johnson
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Sorry, that's what I meant.

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Moral Hazard
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quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Either way, did you see the paper I posted on here a few weeks back? It has kind of a lot on free will in it - but it's fairly lengthy.

If you'd like it I'd be happy to pass it along.


Saddly, too few people actually think about these things for themselves. Most just go with what they were taught or take positions based on superficial understanding (on both sides of the issue).

I didn't see it. Do you have my email still? If so please send it to me, otherwise, PM me and I'll give you my email address.


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Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Re: Re: Re: Haha, God.

quote:
Originally posted by Rook
lol. are you serious??


I could not be more serious.


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Yan
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After taking numerous science courses (including the most recent and possibly most fascinating one, a biology/sociology hybrid course entitled Humans: How are we unique and how unique are we?), I'm pretty much done with organized religion as a whole.

Although I still remain Buddhist (seeing as how I'm writing this awesome thesis on how Buddhism works hand in hand with what science has taught us) and believe that there was/is a higher entity that "started" it all (the concept of time is man-made so... even that's hard to say).

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quote:
Originally posted by Yan
Although I still remain Buddhist (seeing as how I'm writing this awesome thesis on how Buddhism works hand in hand with what science has taught us) and believe that there was/is a higher entity that "started" it all

But, Yan, Buddhism is an atheist religion...


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Moral Hazard
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quote:
Originally posted by Yan
I'm pretty much done with organized religion as a whole.

Although I still remain Buddhist


In what way is Buddhism not an organized religion? Additionally, how exactly does re-incarnation go hand in hand with what science has taught us? Finally, in what way does our not being unique negate any other religion?


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Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
I hate people that say tbh honest, and other shit like that. WTF!

To be honest honest, that's what that means you tard, rethink yoar life please.

PTL LORD!

(PRAISE THE LORD, LORD!)


i hate people who post in threads and provide or no contribution towards the topic being discussed.

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RJT
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Craig - your PM's, check them.


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Yan
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
But, Yan, Buddhism is an atheist religion...


The way I see it, I feel it more of a pseudo-religion than anything else. It really is a way of life that fits in unusually well with the basic nature of the universe, as odd as this sounds. Haha.

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This thread about that thread is bigger than that thread!


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