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Originally posted by JohnSmith America is the ultimate rogue state, they ignore the UN when they see fit,

I totally agree, when another nation goes against UN/NATO/other organisation agreements, the USA is up in arms (eg Iraq not allowing UN weapons inspectors into the country), they argue this poses a threat to other counties, well yes it probably does. But when IT defies international agreements (eg Kyoto agreement - potentially casuing more damage than any weapon ever could) it seems to think that it is completely acceptable. The current USA government has the strange notion that was IT says goes, and think that other nations will readily accept their selfish views on world issues.

On the environment issue, this message from the front of the 'Aria - One' vinyl sums up the impact of people like Bush on the earth: -

"Earth is 4600 million years old. If we take this inconceivable time-span into an understandable concept, we can liken our mother earth to a person of 46 years of age. Nothing is known about the first 7 years of mother earth's life, and whilst only scattered information exists about the middle span, we know that only at the age of 42 did earth begin to flower. Dinosaurs did not appear until one year ago, when earth was 45. Mammals arrived only 8 months ago. In the middle of last week, human-like apes evolved into ape-like humans, and by the weekend the last ice age enveloped earth. Modern humans have been around for four hours. During the last hour we discovered agriculture. The industrial revolution began a minute ago. During those sixty seconds of biological time humans have ransacked earth of her fuels, run hundreds of our fellow animal species into extinction, polluted beyond salvation and now stand proud of ascendancy to domination. We have taken a torch to this paradise and are watching it burn. Will human apathy and ignorance destroy this oasis of life in the solar system and ironically destroy the human race along with it?"

Right on!

that's awesome i want that vinyl.

we truly have made a mess of this place.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith *sigh* sorry juricimo. i told you not to make me prove it.

it's a one sided view just like my view. Not a proof, some things are merely a huge exaggeration of one particular negative thing. It's as easy to pick on a topic, focus only on it's negatives, and further examine only the negative outcome of it. And that is what it seems like you are doing. Not sure about the SOA accusations, but i'm sure that there's more good that came out of it than bad. Or is it not so? And if not, why would the US continue to keep this 'school' going? In other words, seems like you believe that the US government is corrupt, and trains terrorists. Now, i can truly see why you received death threats, as some people on the other side of the spectrum are as passionate about their beliefs as you are, and did not stand for your point of view.

I on the other hand, realize that nothing i state here will change anybody's mind about these issues. I wonder what it was in the first place that made each of us form our own beliefs, which are as different as night and day.


to trancex02,

what makes terrorists "terrorists" is their actions that endanger the lives, security and health of other people. Anti-government groups and people, are not terrorists merely by having anti goverment beliefs and thoughts. It's once those beliefs and thoughts are acted upon, that makes them terrorists too. Hence, difference between terrorists and anti-governemt groups/people.

After this post, i refuse to visit this thread again.....feel free to form your own opinions on why,

respect.

>JM<

edit. i lied i'm back

Last edited by JM on May-24-2002 at 06:18