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Originally posted by Jayoza Trance def. evolved for better or for worse. Well I doubt Dubfire is just "jumping on the bandwagon". Do you think with his accomplishments (grammy awards) and status/level of his career he really needs to "jump on bandwagons" and copy peoples styles to further his career? He was probably in a club just like you and I and really enjoyed the music, got deeper and fell in love with it. Now i havent heard dubfire live in a while but, listening to and buying music from his label I think he has a unique selection in minimal (def influenced by his tribal & proggressive background). Well sorry but I don't want to start an argument about "genres" good music is good music. Wether it be country or techno. But I don't agree with your statements about Trance, or Dubfire.

+1. Who says people can't get tired of spinning the same stuff they have been for 10 years. You'd think Armin woulda shot himself in the head by now.

Trance has most definitely evolved from the days of Robert Miles but I feel like it's reached a bit of a plateau. I usually know exactly what to expect from any given trance track. I don't feel the same way about techno.

The only reason I'd want techno, or any genre for that matter, to gain in popularity is so that I can share the experience with more people. The thing I miss most about going to trance events every week was having 30 TAs to bug out with instead of 2 or 3 TAs. It'd be great if just as much people could appreciate some of the other genres as much as they do trance, but other than that aspect I'm totally fine with techno, minimal, glitch, and the spectrum of IDM to remain unnoticed by the masses. If music being produced and spun appeals to a more critical audience, the DJ or producer has to put that much more effort into making and spinning quality sounds.

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Originally posted by Jayoza Trance def. evolved for better or for worse. Well I doubt Dubfire is just "jumping on the bandwagon". Do you think with his accomplishments (grammy awards) and status/level of his career he really needs to "jump on bandwagons" and copy peoples styles to further his career? He was probably in a club just like you and I and really enjoyed the music, got deeper and fell in love with it. Now i havent heard dubfire live in a while but, listening to and buying music from his label I think he has a unique selection in minimal (def influenced by his tribal & proggressive background). Im not that much of a fan of sven vath so i havent heard much stuff from him but from what I can hear he likes to play off key or flat minor melodic techno, def with a european sound. Well sorry but I don't want to start an argument about "genres" good music is good music. Wether it be country or techno. But I don't agree with your statements about Trance, or Dubfire.

I was kidding about Trance, but not about dubfire. Go listen to him. Then go listen to Sven Vath. My main point is...dubfire does not sound like dubfire anymore. He sounds like ... just another techno DJ. Somewhere in his transition to techno, he lost his soul. Everyone is playing some form of techno these days. Not everyone has given up their souls in the process. And for the guy who was talking about grammy winning artists, etc....I doubt dubfire is winning any grammies now. This is not 1998.

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Originally posted by Blake I usually know exactly what to expect from any given trance track.

You mean the 4x4 beat for the first 60 seconds, followed by a snare introduction and some tension grabbing in the next 60 seconds, followed by a 60 second mild melodic breakdown, followed by 120 seconds of slight harder beats and a more strenous riff all leading to a massive breakdown that lasts for 90 seconds and then follows up with a 120 second closing beats that get a little softer towards the end?

I bet you 99% of trance tracks follow that formula give or take 30 seconds.

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Originally posted by jashic I was kidding about Trance, but not about dubfire. Go listen to him. Then go listen to Sven Vath. My main point is...dubfire does not sound like dubfire anymore. He sounds like ... just another techno DJ. Somewhere in his transition to techno, he lost his soul. Everyone is playing some form of techno these days. Not everyone has given up their souls in the process. And for the guy who was talking about grammy winning artists, etc....I doubt dubfire is winning any grammies now. This is not 1998.

Ali and Sharam both sold their soul to the devil when they came up with Say Hello.

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Originally posted by jashic You mean the 4x4 beat for the first 60 seconds, followed by a snare introduction and some tension grabbing in the next 60 seconds, followed by a 60 second mild melodic breakdown, followed by 120 seconds of slight harder beats and a more strenous riff all leading to a massive breakdown that lasts for 90 seconds and then follows up with a 120 second closing beats that get a little softer towards the end? I bet you 99% of trance tracks follow that formula give or take 30 seconds.

Everything has its formula, including techno:

4x4 beat for 60 seconds, followed by an introduction of a different pattern of Vengeance "Percussion Instrument" samples every 30 seconds; slowly simmer for 1 minute and, using Ableton, whip the batter up a bit, add reeverb and delay, raise the filter during the "buildup", and bring back 4x4 beat, slowly ditching each respective Vengeance pattern every 30 seconds until the 4x4 is alone, ready to be outro'd A very few producers can come up with anything different. Even good songs follow this formula, nothing wrong with it

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Originally posted by Chaska Ali and Sharam both sold their soul to the devil when they came up with Say Hello.

how does that work? "Say Hello" was a great pop dance record. Deep Dish were never like, uber-underground djs / producers. Not sure how putting that track out means they sold their souls...

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Originally posted by zizack how does that work? "Say Hello" was a great pop dance record. Deep Dish were never like, uber-underground djs / producers. Not sure how putting that track out means they sold their souls...

+1, it's not like "flashdance" was underground, and their previous mixes were great, but commercial friendly as well.

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IMO what ya wankers sellin here but may be Deep Dish sound isnt all that underground but them 2 been rockin it for over 15 years now and I use to go to their lagendery marothon 16 hour sets at VINYL back in the day and lets just say that their sound been undergroud back then and even though otherwise it gett very commercialized and softer for all of the last 10 years but they still amazing fawkin talent and experienced DJ to turn a dancefloor on fire. Its not all about their productions you know.

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Originally posted by euphoria I will ban you

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Originally posted by djquick83 They got K in Kansas son. ... Its called the KKK. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA

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Originally posted by ReenTeenTeen IMO what ya wankers sellin here but may be Deep Dish sound isnt all that underground but them 2 been rockin it for over 15 years now and I use to go to their lagendery marothon 16 hour sets at VINYL back in the day and lets just say that their sound been undergroud back then and even though otherwise it gett very commercialized and softer for all of the last 10 years but they still amazing fawkin talent and experienced DJ to turn a dancefloor on fire. Its not all about their productions you know.

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Originally posted by jashic You mean the 4x4 beat for the first 60 seconds, followed by a snare introduction and some tension grabbing in the next 60 seconds, followed by a 60 second mild melodic breakdown, followed by 120 seconds of slight harder beats and a more strenous riff all leading to a massive breakdown that lasts for 90 seconds and then follows up with a 120 second closing beats that get a little softer towards the end?

LOL, yup! But there's still a bit more to it than that when it comes to my personal preference of techno to trance.

What bores me a bit about trance is probably what makes trance so exciting for so many other listeners.. That is, that it's beauty is self evident.. blatant even. This was fun for me at first, but after hearing hundreds of beautiful vocals and perfect melodies, and beautiful vocals and perfect melodies, and beautiful vocals and perfect melodies over the years, I think overt beauty became less special for me. I try not to be a total snob about it though. Different music does different things for the ears. Since trance is part of what got me into EDM in the first place I can't/won't disregard it, but I usually just check up on it and every now and then I'll come across a crazy track that sounds remarkably different from the rest. For the most part though, techno continues to surprise me with sounds and effects that I never thought could work well together, bass lines that drop when I don't expect them to, and plenty of other aspects that continue to push the limits of what my ears are able to comprehend and appreciate. 'course it has its fair share of 'safe' tracks, so to speak, but a lot of the more inspired tracks usually blow me away, and lately it's just been getting better and better

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Originally posted by jashic You mean the 4x4 beat for the first 60 seconds, followed by a snare introduction and some tension grabbing in the next 60 seconds, followed by a 60 second mild melodic breakdown, followed by 120 seconds of slight harder beats and a more strenous riff all leading to a massive breakdown that lasts for 90 seconds and then follows up with a 120 second closing beats that get a little softer towards the end? I bet you 99% of trance tracks follow that formula give or take 30 seconds.

I hope that hand job worth the whatever the going price for PVD tickets are these day.

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Originally posted by euphoria I will ban you

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Originally posted by djquick83 They got K in Kansas son. ... Its called the KKK. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA

RTT=GENIOUS <3

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Originally posted by Blake LOL, yup! But there's still a bit more to it than that when it comes to my personal preference of techno to trance. What bores me a bit about trance is probably what makes trance so exciting for so many other listeners.. That is, that it's beauty is self evident.. blatant even. This was fun for me at first, but after hearing hundreds of beautiful vocals and perfect melodies, and beautiful vocals and perfect melodies, and beautiful vocals and perfect melodies over the years, I think overt beauty became less special for me. I try not to be a total snob about it though. Different music does different things for the ears. Since trance is part of what got me into EDM in the first place I can't/won't disregard it, but I usually just check up on it and every now and then I'll come across a crazy track that sounds remarkably different from the rest. For the most part though, techno continues to surprise me with sounds and effects that I never thought could work well together, bass lines that drop when I don't expect them to, and plenty of other aspects that continue to push the limits of what my ears are able to comprehend and appreciate. 'course it has its fair share of 'safe' tracks, so to speak, but a lot of the more inspired tracks usually blow me away, and lately it's just been getting better and better

I know exactly what you are saying because its exactly how I feel. Great response!