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Originally posted by Yan Fists are more effective.

Pfffft, neanderthal.

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Originally posted by jonas The truth is that bad people with guns can only be deflected more with the idea in their head that maybe, just maybe the person that they are considering targeting may be armed. I carry a weapon in my house.

There was a thing on Dateline or 20/20 or something like that a few years ago that dealt directly with police shootouts and why criminals get into them. The criminals specifically talked about how they are more afraid of a regular joe with a gun than an armed police officer. Reason being, they know what to expect from a police officer.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel There was a thing on Dateline or 20/20 or something like that a few years ago that dealt directly with police shootouts and why criminals get into them. The criminals specifically talked about how they are more afraid of a regular joe with a gun than an armed police officer. Reason being, they know what to expect from a police officer.

Exactly, studies of convicted felons have shown that about 80% of those polled agreed that a smart criminal always tries to find out first if the victim is armed and 40% have decided at least once not to commit a crime because they thought their victim could possibly be armed. With more and more states passing Castle Doctrine laws criminals will have even more reason to worry about armed victims.

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Originally posted by RJT http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626...Z2YcVuPbfis0NUE

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626..._co/scotus_guns

gotta love yahoo news when i go to check teh email. heh

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Originally posted by XaNaX Exactly, studies of convicted felons have shown that about 80% of those polled agreed that a smart criminal always tries to find out first if the victim is armed and 40% have decided at least once not to commit a crime because they thought their victim could possibly be armed. With more and more states passing Castle Doctrine laws criminals will have even more reason to worry about armed victims.

Exactly. And although I am thoroughly aware of this, over the past year or so, my view on gun control in and of itself is still the same, because controlling them does nothing as we have seen in DC. We either must wholly ban them, or wholly allow them. There can be no middle ground.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Exactly, studies of convicted felons have shown that about 80% of those polled agreed that a smart criminal always tries to find out first if the victim is armed and 40% have decided at least once not to commit a crime because they thought their victim could possibly be armed. With more and more states passing Castle Doctrine laws criminals will have even more reason to worry about armed victims.

This is my point exactly and why I am pro concealed handgun licenses

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Originally posted by jonas This is my point exactly and why I am pro concealed handgun licenses

While I am not against concealed weapons on concept and all that, I am also realistic that there are tons of people that have no business ever touching a gun.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While I am not against concealed weapons on concept and all that, I am also realistic that there are tons of people that have no business ever touching a gun.

Unfortunately, I agree with you whole heartedly on this point.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel because controlling them does nothing as we have seen in DC.

thoroughly flawed analysis.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thoroughly flawed analysis.

Not really. When you control the flow of something that can be obtained 15mins away with little to no control, you are effectively making your laws and controls useless. If you ban something, which while it is technically a way to control it is not usually considered when you are talking about legislation to control it, wholly instead of just locally, you are doing much more to curb or eradicate any sort of potential for problems.

I understand that by definition, to ban someting is to control it, but I know that at the very least here, they are treated separately.

And gun control in the US refers to limiting the sale of, not eliminating the sale of, guns.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel something that can be obtained 15mins away

ok, we're on the same page. that wasn't clear in the post i quoted. but yes, youre completely right.

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