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Originally posted by Q5echo stay off crack, cocaine, heroin, pills, meth, alcohol. yes. someone has to. they both cause violence...and depression...and mental illness...disease...death blah blah blah...

Apparently, you completely ignored the economics-side of illicit trade in narcotics. Being the avowed neo-conservative you are, supposedly a supporter of free markets, black markets thrive under hardline socialism. Shall I repeat that corporate competition turns to violent competition in an underground market? You can't outlaw the free market. If there is a demand, there will be suppliers, and those suppliers will compete for demand. It's not that hard to understand.

The same is true for guns. Outlawing guns will only open the door to the underground market trade of guns. You simply can not outlaw the free market. If people demand guns, there will always be a supplier to meet the demand. Haven't the right wingers (i.e. drug warriors) or the left wingers (i.e. gun outlaw supporters) learned anything from the prohibition of the 1920's....Apparently not...

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Originally posted by Q5echo ...and another thing, if you think any of this is isolated to "the projects" and "black kids" you're f**king stupid and slightly racist.

LOL, coming from the guy who just posted a poor uneducated black man rambling about his narcotics sales experiences... It is no secret that the drug trade is dominated by poor minorities... And that is a scientific fact. I guess you havn't looked at who is jailed most often for drug offenses in the US. That's right...It's not whitey...

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Originally posted by Krypton Apparently, you completely ignored the economics-side of illicit trade in narcotics.

in favor for the future of our children, yes.

if you're so damned concern about the "economics" of it then why the f**k don't you advocate viable alternatives and community outreach in "the projects". don't answer that, i already know. it's because aside from being completely selfish you don't really give a damn about what happens in "the projects" as long as it doesn't effect you directly.

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Originally posted by Krypton That's right...It's not whitey...

i never said it was. i just provided an example. youre the one that thinks illicit drugs and violence associated with them only happens in the projects. that guy wasn't in the projects.

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Originally posted by Q5echo in favor for the future of our children, yes. if you're so damned concern about the "economics" of it then why the f**k don't you advocate viable alternatives and community outreach in "the projects". don't answer that, i already know. it's because aside from being completely selfish you don't really give a damn about what happens in "the projects" as long as it doesn't effect you directly.

Actually, you don't already know ANYTHING.

I advocate the Fair Tax, which would mean more money going to low income earners. I advocate school competition, so that only schools which perform would get students, and as a result, their money. I advocate the redirectly of money from narcotics law enforcement to drug education and rehabilitation projects. I care very much for the lower classes of his country, which is why I see myself as a libertarian socialist. One who believes in the free market, but also the responsibility of society to help those for whatever reason, are left behind by capitalism.

Your beloved president, has done what for the poor? Sent them off to die in a foreign land? Paid hundreds of billions of dollars for war, instead of domestic spending? No Child Left Behind? What a load of crap. And if you didn't know, I have been poor. Food stamps/handouts, roach-infested apartments, threats of being evicted, and utilities getting cut off b/c my mother couldn't pay. So please, spare me the "you don't care" bullshit.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i never said it was.

I never said you did. You called me a racist. I was then obligated to point out to you, that even though narcotics trade is prevelant in all classes of society, it is still the poor minorities who demographically dominate it.

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i just provided an example. youre the one that thinks illicit drugs and violence associated with them only happens in the projects. that guy wasn't in the projects.

Classic straw man argument, BRAVO. I never said "only happens in the projects". I referred to "project kids" because you posted what? A black man who I assumed came out of the projects!! Clearly what I said was relevant to your video.

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Originally posted by Krypton So please, spare me the "you don't care" bullshit.

hell no, dude. you deserve it.

you just want a free market drug trade for your own selfish reasons and just HOPE it doesn't cause more violence...and depression...and mental illness...disease...unwanted pregnancy...death. and if it does f**k'em, right? you're dumb.

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Originally posted by Krypton Clearly what I said was relevant to your video.

slightly relevant but nowhere near as shallow and myopic.

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Originally posted by Q5echo hell no, dude. you deserve it. you just want a free market drug trade for your own selfish reasons and just HOPE it doesn't cause more violence...and depression...and mental illness...disease...unwanted pregnancy...death. and if it does f**k'em, right? you're dumb. slightly relevant but nowhere near as shallow and myopic.

I'm not falling for your ad hominems. Argue my points, or lose the argument.

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm not falling for your ad hominems. Argue my points, or lose the argument.

you've already lost. you can't prove to me or anybody else legalizing the drug trade won't cause more harm than good to black kids in the projects or any kid from anywhere yet you still want it and defend it.

it's selfish, myopic, shallow and stupid. there, pm a mod.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you've already lost. you can't prove to me or anybody else legalizing the drug trade won't cause more harm than good to black kids in the projects or any kid from anywhere yet you still want it and defend it. it's selfish, myopic, shallow and stupid. there, pm a mod.

*sigh* I really hate spoon feeding people, but here goes (7 points for you to address specifically)...

1. Violence takes the place of corporate competition, in the absence of a regulated legal market.

2. No education and little capital needed to excel here [in the drug trade].

3. Black markets thrive under hardline socialism [outlaw of a free market].

4. Corporate competition turns to violent competition in an underground market.

5. You can't outlaw the free market. [RESTATED]You simply can not outlaw the free market.

6. If there is a demand, there will be suppliers, and those suppliers will compete for demand.

7. Haven't the right wingers (i.e. drug warriors) or the left wingers (i.e. gun outlaw supporters) learned anything from the prohibition of the 1920's?

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Now instead of pulling every insulting word out of the dictionary, how about specifically addressing my points, which I have just repeated for the SECOND/THIRD time. I won't PM any mod, because unlike latinlover or CHRles, you try to debate, although crudely.

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