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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Fuck no. I'll certainly defend the right of the uneducated to get an education, but I won't defend them should they fail to exercise that right, since they're then a member of the class of the willfully ignorant. Huh? I'm saying the use of the word "irony" has changed over time, and that this doesn't have all that much to do with education or lack of it. People, even educated ones, use old words in new ways, so just deal with it.

how complacent! So, according to you, I have to tolerate people using words they don't even understand or grasp?

I will not, i refuse to. I truly object as that will only feed to this mentality of egotistic and self-satisfied people that will settle for what the majority think is "correct" or "acceptable", while basing their judgement on "popular songs" or "popular sayings" that have harvest this fallible mentality.

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"I think the scientific and the artistic spirit have something in common. The scientist wants not only to learn the facts, but to understand how they cohere, fit together and make a whole. He even uses criteria such as beauty and symmetry to help decide which theory he wants.

The scientist cannot capture the whole cosmos in thought. In his mind he makes a kind of microcosm, which we see as an analogue of the cosmos. In this way we try to get a feeling for the whole. The artist, I suppose, gets a feeling for the whole some other way.”

David Bohm in “Art, Dialogue and the Implicate Order”, published in On Creativity RC (Routledge Classics)

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Originally posted by diggerz how complacent! So, according to you, I have to tolerate people using words they don't even understand or grasp?

You don't have to -- but if you don't tolerate it, you're going to be fighting lots of losing battles. Does that sound like a good use of your time?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles You don't have to -- but if you don't tolerate it, you're going to be fighting lots of losing battles. Does that sound like a good use of your time?

No, I guess you're right. It just makes me sad ...

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"I think the scientific and the artistic spirit have something in common. The scientist wants not only to learn the facts, but to understand how they cohere, fit together and make a whole. He even uses criteria such as beauty and symmetry to help decide which theory he wants.

The scientist cannot capture the whole cosmos in thought. In his mind he makes a kind of microcosm, which we see as an analogue of the cosmos. In this way we try to get a feeling for the whole. The artist, I suppose, gets a feeling for the whole some other way.”

David Bohm in “Art, Dialogue and the Implicate Order”, published in On Creativity RC (Routledge Classics)

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Originally posted by nefardec you're right, but i think the meaning indeed has changed much in the same way "nice" once meant something close to "naughty" languages are spoken, and i feel that it's unnatural and maybe regressive to try to use literature as a basis for spoken language, which is the only true language. writing is another set of signs entirely

i love this guy

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"I think the scientific and the artistic spirit have something in common. The scientist wants not only to learn the facts, but to understand how they cohere, fit together and make a whole. He even uses criteria such as beauty and symmetry to help decide which theory he wants.

The scientist cannot capture the whole cosmos in thought. In his mind he makes a kind of microcosm, which we see as an analogue of the cosmos. In this way we try to get a feeling for the whole. The artist, I suppose, gets a feeling for the whole some other way.”

David Bohm in “Art, Dialogue and the Implicate Order”, published in On Creativity RC (Routledge Classics)

I'm usually not a nitpicker, and definately not trying to make a personal jab, but in a thread where you assert that...

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Originally posted by diggerz education in america is going down the toilet. i rest my case.

it helps to check your spelling.

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Originally posted by diggerz You make some pretty good points but if we go on thinking like this, how many words will loose their essence ? irony should not be approached as a volatile term, in my opinion, people should study and practice the appropiate use. If we go on thinking every word means something else to different people, then most words will loose significance. In the literary world (the world of letters and writing) this is terrible, because some words are worlds of their own and have a meaning (a pre-established meaning).

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What?

i'm hessitant though

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lose

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"I think the scientific and the artistic spirit have something in common. The scientist wants not only to learn the facts, but to understand how they cohere, fit together and make a whole. He even uses criteria such as beauty and symmetry to help decide which theory he wants.

The scientist cannot capture the whole cosmos in thought. In his mind he makes a kind of microcosm, which we see as an analogue of the cosmos. In this way we try to get a feeling for the whole. The artist, I suppose, gets a feeling for the whole some other way.”

David Bohm in “Art, Dialogue and the Implicate Order”, published in On Creativity RC (Routledge Classics)

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Originally posted by Gen3r4l1ty I'm usually not a nitpicker, and definately not trying to make a personal jab, but in a thread where you assert that... it helps to check your spelling.

oooohhh definately is not a word!

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"I think the scientific and the artistic spirit have something in common. The scientist wants not only to learn the facts, but to understand how they cohere, fit together and make a whole. He even uses criteria such as beauty and symmetry to help decide which theory he wants.

The scientist cannot capture the whole cosmos in thought. In his mind he makes a kind of microcosm, which we see as an analogue of the cosmos. In this way we try to get a feeling for the whole. The artist, I suppose, gets a feeling for the whole some other way.”

David Bohm in “Art, Dialogue and the Implicate Order”, published in On Creativity RC (Routledge Classics)

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Originally posted by diggerz oooohhh definately is not a word!

touche' good sir.

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Originally posted by diggerz that is also a paradox in it's own way as Shakespeare himself wrote plays (spoken language as you said).

well there's a slight difference


i kind of romanticize true oral tradition





in regards to what i said about bastardizing, english really did not bastardize german, since 'german' as we know it developed simultaneously with english. there are a few german words in the language.

the common ancestor language of german and english was spoken in the bronze age - so all german words in english are likely adopted in more modern times rather than evolved


a language that has been much more bastardized in english is french, after the norman invasion


the english language has one of the most fascinating histories. it is the product of centuries of warfare, cultural assimilation, politics, and literary tyranny

thank you for everyone who's posted on this thread.

i have faith in the u.s education system.

lots of it.

but some things must change,

from the bottom up.

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"I think the scientific and the artistic spirit have something in common. The scientist wants not only to learn the facts, but to understand how they cohere, fit together and make a whole. He even uses criteria such as beauty and symmetry to help decide which theory he wants.

The scientist cannot capture the whole cosmos in thought. In his mind he makes a kind of microcosm, which we see as an analogue of the cosmos. In this way we try to get a feeling for the whole. The artist, I suppose, gets a feeling for the whole some other way.”

David Bohm in “Art, Dialogue and the Implicate Order”, published in On Creativity RC (Routledge Classics)