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Originally posted by LazFX

Jesus Christ! Thanks for reminding me again why I stay away from this place (one of them anyways), obviously it was a mistake to check it out. Here's a quite quote from another thread, pointless, yes i know... because it's won't penetrate your skull. Here's a little bit of info for you to keep in mind next time you run in to Hadith based slanders or 'Sahih' Bukhari as being some sort of credible source:

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But just a quick note, Hadith aren't exactly a reliable source for any agrument for or against Islam. The most "authentic" collection regarded highly by many Sunnis (majority of Muslims), is hardly a credible source. The scholar responsible for compiling it, Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, for one was born 178 years after Muhammad's death. What is laughably called the "science" governing his methodology of Hadith compliation was basically travelling around the Middle East and inscribing what people claimed to be quotes from the Prophet, passed down via oral tradition, and he supposedly had access to biographies of all the people in the chain of narration. Wow, how incredibly rigerous, credible, and not to mention "scientific" lol. Once Bukhari got done discarding literally tens of thousands (actually it's in the hundred thousands) what he considered to be obvious fabrications and not authentic hadith, the revised version wasn't exactly something he put a lot of stock in eigther. During his travels when he arrived in what is now called Uzbekhistan (just south of Borat's home town lol), the Sultan of Bukhara, Khalid Ibn al-Ahmad Dhuhali, requested a personal meeting with Bukhari. Bukhari opinion of this narrowed down and revised list of hadith was that probably less than 5 % of these were actually authetic and accurate saying of Prophet Muhammad. The Sultan basically asked Bukhari if he could alter some of the hadith. Gee, I wonder where he was going with that? Hmm... let's see, he is a Sultan, he's got all the power he could have in the region, a little bit of alterations to Bukhari's narrowed down list certainly wouldn't hurt in that department. Bukhair refused this request and was subsequently banished, imprisoned, and died a bit over a month later. That should tell you a little something about the authenticity of "Sahih Al-Bukhari." Majority of muslims, virtually all Sunnis, and even Shi'ia, aren't even aware of simple historical facts like this, even so called "Islamic Scholars." The last few years of Bukhari dead are basically glossed over in most Sunni historical texts and most don't even bother offer a biography longer than a few pages on the guy's life.

You are by far the weirdest fucking guy Laz. I've never heard anyone bitch so much about racism / bigotry while being a bigot himself / herself.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You are by far the weirdest fucking guy Laz. I've never heard anyone bitch so much about racism / bigotry while being a bigot himself / herself.

you stated that extremism was not the norm in Palestine

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And what makes you think 'religious' extremists are the norm in the Arab world, or Palestinians in particular?[

I show a video from the area ....
Shows a cute kid character and a lil girl hosting the show...
talking and singing about killing and suicide...

I also add some txt that seems to give a different POV from a Muslim..on the Pal struggle.....but because of theological differences; I am a racist???

or

is this one of those things that I would not understand cause I am not Muslim???

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Originally posted by LazFX you stated that extremism was not the norm in Palestine

Yes, and you've obviously conducted an extensive tour in Gaza and the West Bank... and lived with both Israeli and Palestinians providing humanitarian aid. Go fuck yourself Laz.

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Originally posted by LazFX I show a video from the area .... Shows a cute kid character and a lil girl hosting the show... talking and singing about killing and suicide... I also add some txt that seems to give a different POV from a Muslim..on the Pal struggle.....but because of theological differences; I am a racist??? or is this one of those things that I would not understand cause I am not Muslim???

First of all, I'm not fucking Palestinian or Israeli. I have no ties to this conflict whatsoever, of any type. You're a fucking retard if you think this is about religion. I'm not a nationalist, religious in any traditional sense at all, nor do I identify with any religious, ethnic, or national group. So no need to superimpose the retarded concepts you (and the vast majority of people) utilize for the sake of identity. I'm beyond all that superficial separatist insecurity driven crap...

¿Entiendes "puto" ? ¿O necesitas más información personal?

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yes, and you've obviously conducted an extensive tour in Gaza and the West Bank... and lived with both Israeli and Palestinians providing humanitarian aid. Go fuck yourself Laz. First of all, I'm not fucking Palestinian or Israeli. I have no ties to this conflict whatsoever, of any type. You're a fucking retard if you think this is about religion. I'm not a nationalist, religious in any traditional sense at all, nor do I identify with any religious, ethnic, or national group. So no need to superimpose the retarded concepts you (and the vast majority of people) utilize for the sake of identity. I'm beyond all that superficial separatist insecurity driven crap... ¿Entiendes "puto" ? ¿O necesitas más información personal?

RELAX man, it's the internet...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yes, and you've obviously conducted an extensive tour in Gaza and the West Bank... and lived with both Israeli and Palestinians providing humanitarian aid. Go fuck yourself Laz.

and all of this from me just posting a video showing that "extremism" appears kind of the "norm" over there, on kids television no less... and you pull the racial card???

What about that video is racist???
what about the text that I posted along with it, in an attempt to show that not all muslims agree with what is shown on the video....
but this apparently upsets you???


what really bothering you shaolin.... pull up a chair and share

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I agree.Keep in mind that both sides have been capturing soldiers for on both sides for years.Iam just wondering why Isreal decided to go to war against a whole country over two captured soldiers.Also I really want to know what made the Hezbollah to go and capture those two Isreali soldiers.

Because most people are ignorant and fucking stupid, and will buy any bullshit excuse the state or the media gives them as legitimization of policy. Because most people don't give a fuck about anything other than their own material comfort and security. Zionism isn't about a tiny snippet of Mediterranean land, it's far more expansive than that and it won't end with the annihilation of all Palestinians and annexing of their land. Bombing the crap out of Lebanon was a necessary step as is the NeoCon (aka covert Zionist) Iraq War. Most people here probably don't know jack shit about the plans for greater Israel, since they're never really studied any Zionist literature and probably stopped short of where their institutional indoctrination has instructed them to. You can't expect a community of politically correct pussies to understand a thing about the non-politically correct real world. Never underestimate the power of denial, most of the global population lives in it daily. Which is why these you have Obama boners popping out everywhere "save us Messiah O." Fucking pussies.

[EDIT] People are perfectly happy being slaves to their own fears and insecurities and the powers that be. It's been the case since the dawn of time. History always works in a cyclical form, or the evolution and demise of various societies, empires, and states. It's only going to get worse, and it looks like this time around, this point in human history, we're all fucked. Globalism and Corporatism have woven thread of such interdependent submission globally that the ramifications won't be limited to a national or regional scale. It will most likely be a full on global catastrophe. The sooner you realize this and save for a rainy day, the better off you'll be. Especially if you live in North America.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Krypton RELAX man, it's the internet...

I'm relaxed. I can project a lot of rage in a very controlled fashion.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Because most people are ignorant and fucking stupid, and will buy any bullshit excuse the state or the media gives them as legitimization of policy.

I hate sheeps like that too,and it is useless even trying to talk some sense into them.

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Because most people don't give a fuck about anything other than their own material comfort and security.

This reminds of a quote from a great man in America: "we'll fight them over there so that we dont have to fight them here".

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Zionism isn't about a tiny snippet of Mediterranean land, it's far more expansive than that and it won't end with the annihilation of all Palestinians and annexing of their land. Bombing the crap out of Lebanon was a necessary step as is the NeoCon (aka covert Zionist) Iraq War.

That war ended up achieving nothing for them,it is funny how they thought that they would be able to get rid of Hizbollah all together.Hizbollah is back bigger and better equipped then ever and the only people that paid the price were the ordinary people.

Thinking about that war makes me fuckin angry,I just cant udrestand how over 2 fuckin soldiers an entire country had to get destroyed.

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Most people here probably don't know jack shit about the plans for greater Israel, since they're never really studied any Zionist literature and probably stopped short of where their institutional indoctrination has instructed them to.

This is true and when you try to inform them about it you become a conspiracy Theorist.

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You can't expect a community of politically correct pussies to understand a thing about the non-politically correct real world. Never underestimate the power of denial, most of the global population lives in it daily. Which is why these you have Obama boners popping out everywhere "save us Messiah O." Fucking pussies.

Obama is just another politician saying what it takes to get elected and thats the sad truth but in America things are so bad right now that he is being looked at as their great saviour.

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[EDIT] People are perfectly happy being slaves to their own fears and insecurities and the powers that be. It's been the case since the dawn of time. History always works in a cyclical form, or the evolution and demise of various societies, empires, and states. It's only going to get worse, and it looks like this time around, this point in human history, we're all fucked. Globalism and Corporatism have woven thread of such interdependent submission globally that the ramifications won't be limited to a national or regional scale. It will most likely be a full on global catastrophe. The sooner you realize this and save for a rainy day, the better off you'll be. Especially if you live in North America.

The future isnt looking good at this time,not for this generation at least. It seems since all we think about these days is greed and power and who are we gonna go to war with next week.It is up to the people to change whats happening and fight for those changes.The government has failed the people in the US over and over and I honestly think they will continue to do so untill the American people rise up and choose their own destiny and stop giving all the power to the corporate world.

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you two are so full of shit!

I have agreed with you on several Pal/Is issues in the past.

Z suggests that "extremism" is not the norm in Pal.

I post a video of a "children TV program" that is aired on PAL TV..
with out decrying or anything about the video; You call me racist, ignorant a sheep and so forth....completely ignoring the video that was posted to show an extreme POV that is on TV in that region....thus making it "norm" to the lay man...

but I am a racist??
How do you come to that. How in the world does any SANE AND RATIONAL person come to that?? I posted the vid with out commentary on my part .... but yet... I AM A RACIST???!!??


You still have not told me WHY MY POSTING THAT VIDEO was a racist/ignorant thing.
All you have done is unsuccessfully taken the focus off of the video and tried to shift it on to me by calling me an ignorant racist sheep.

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Originally posted by Q5echo 1. Full cessation of hostilities. 2. Hezbollah to be disarmed. 3. Full control of Lebanon by the government of Lebanon. 4. No paramilitary forces, including (and implying) Hezbollah, will be south of the Litani River.

Lol! You even say yourself that that "solution" will not work, so why even bother repeating it?!

Gonna give us any clues as to how that "solution" will come about?


(It's not actually a "solution", it is an "outcome". The solution is how to achieve that outcome)

LOL, did either one of us say a word about you Laz?

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller