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| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
Look MisterOpus,
If you think that I have all the time in the world to educate you on your intellectual insecurities, you are wrong! |
Considering you've never once engaged me with any points I have made to you in the past, I'm not surprised by your continual bouts of cowardice now. Spare me the bullshit, Arnold.
| quote: | | Clearly you have many questions but you are mentally handicapped and you are having troubles in finding the answers. |
Clearly you continually portrayed yourself as the coward you always have been by attempting to attack me rather than the argument I posed, but you seemingly made a half-ass attempt below so let's dive in:
| quote: | | First, what right do you have to be the spokesman of the american people? All of a sudden, you think that you are the voice of all the bitching that is going around the country. |
Umm, huh? I pointed out that I side with the majority of Americans (and Iraqis) on the views of Iraq and where our troops should be, and that is a bad thing because in doing so I suddenly become the "spokesman" of the American people? I'm pointing out where the majority of US stand, Arnold:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
Take a gander yourself. That doesn't necessarily make me a spokesman, it just makes me part of the majority, and by proxy, makes you part of the minority (as usual).
| quote: | | Americans are not quitters and we are not giving up on Iraqis. |
Americans in large majorities above also appear to have more common sense than you, which supersedes your ridiculous "quitters" claim. Getting out of a stagnant situation that is propped up by pay-offs and arming the "enemy", as well as allowing the Iranian-run Iraqi Shiite government to continue to use our troops for their own stagnation to get their asses moving to govern themselves, coupled with failure to accomplish the primary objective of the SURGE! is not "quitting." It's common sense - something that has been entirely absent for the past 8 years and continues to be absent from recalcitrant neocon children such as yourself.
| quote: | | Iraqis know that we are comitted to this cause that will benefit future generations. Decades from now their grandsons will enjoy freedom like no other in the region. Iraq will become the envy of the ME region, a country with a lot of potential economically and socially. |
I love predictions made by you neocons on how things will be going in Iraq. Given your incredible record of predictions since the start of this war, who the hell do you think you are to be able to make correct predictions now? Given the idiocy of this Administration and the neocons with their wildest of dreams and predictions, and given how ridiculously horrible your record on those predictions have been, let alone your continual movement of goalposts, what grounds does anyone have to even want to listen to your grandest of grand predictions?
Fucking please, Arnold. Blow your bong smoke up someone else's arse, not mine.
| quote: | | But if you want to rob them from that liberty and security that me and you join, you have no moral authority what so ever! Please for once in your life dont be a quitter! |
Those words coming from you mean so much to me.
No, really.......
| quote: | | Typical, far left ideology. |
Funny, guess the majority of Americans share the same ideology.
Wonder why? Strange, that.
| quote: | | Just like your "savior" Obama not admitting that the surge has been one of the main factors of the decrease in violence. |
He's no more a "savior" to me than anyone else who ran, and I've got a myriad of issues against him as well. But he's a far cry better choice than that dirt bag McCain in your camp. And you're right, Obama has attributed the SURGE! as being one of the factors, but it's not the only one, which is a bit of a different story compared to the neocon turds who believe it's the only blessed rationale for a reduction in violence.
And even if Obama gives more accolades to the SURGE!, he has his political opinion and I certainly have mine. And like I said, I have my differences with him on certain issues.
| quote: | | You want to call it short term, but as months have passed by it gives hints that is not. Every time new reports come out it shows a consistency in less violence. |
Less violence compared to the past two years, yes. However, the levels of violence are pretty much down to the levels prior to the past two years when the shit was really hitting the fan:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
It's important to examine the entire war in complete context, which of course is next to impossible for you, but in doing so we see that while the reduction is terrific to have versus the past two years, we're really back to where we once were.
Provided we don't count those darn car bombs, of course:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/26/764/
And I think it's also important to note that while it took 1,200 American soldier lives to get to this point of a DIPLOMATIC SURGE! that has yet to achieve it's primary goal, that darn prediction of 6 months has seemingly been stretched to 18 months in the first place. Yet another one of your neocon predictions that seemingly didn't quite hold up.
One other thing to note - have you given credence to the Awakening? You know, the Sunni leaders getting sick and tired of al Qaeda themselves, and started to turn on them on their own accord BEFORE our SURGE! even took place? Of course they started taking our money given to them instead of al Qaedas, but I'm wondering if you would acknowledge that at all.
| quote: | | That has allowed our generals in the ground to emphasize more on training the Iraqi army. As you know they have made great progress and now the Iraqi army is involved and in complex operations and are giving encouraging results. One mission that the US has in mind, is giving more responsibility to the Iraqi army as our arm forces are being released od their duties little by little. |
Great, so we leave when again?
Oh wait, looks like our Administration might be admitting to a *gasp* TIMELINE!!!!!!!:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle4526313.ece
Of course it's not exactly the 16 month timeline Obama was proposing, but it did appear that those darn Iraqi's liked his idea of our troops getting out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080721...4.mNK7MhlCs0NUE
Evidently, Bush appeared to like it as well. Funny that.
By the way, do you have any links that support your notion in the first place? Because the GAO report that came out in June depicts a mixed picture. While there has been progress, the results are mixed. Specifically, out of the 16 provinces that were supposed to be able to govern themselves by now, only 8 are able to do so on a tentative level:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08837.pdf
| quote: | | No doubt, dont get me wrong. Political reconcilation is a major challenge but NOT impossible. But its a fight that wont put many amercian and iraqis up on the line. We have set the stage for this reconciliation to take place.... sure are generals have done superb job. |
I never said the generals weren't doing a superb job, as well as the rest of our troops. The onus was never on them for political reconciliation, and they have done their jobs well. However, the primary goal as specifically stated by our Administration for the SURGE! was to set the stage for political reconciliation, and that has been anything but successful.
And I also did not say it was impossible, but I did point out that it is far from being accomplished, if it ever will be with our presence.
| quote: | | Where the hell have you been? You know, it is ok not to hide from me. |
You were suspended, Arnold, remember? I took a leave of absence to study for my national Boards.
| quote: | Have you been licensed yet as a massage therapist (is that what your doing?) Because you know I am such in need of some soft girly hands to give me a massage  PM with prices and whats included in the menu  |
No, not for a massage therapist. I have passed and am now licensed as a Physical Therapist, however, as well as hold a Doctoral Degree in Physical Therapy. So that's Dr. Opus to you, bub.
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