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Originally posted by Q5echo damn. couldn't give me two seconds?

Sorry I'm not an American extremist..

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Originally posted by Krypton Sorry I'm not an American extremist..

i don't even know what that means

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Originally posted by Q5echo i don't even know what that means

It means the belief that all actions done by your government are right. You fail to question your government when it does wrong. This ultimately leads to hypocrisy when another state does the same actions we do yet you and other radical nationalists condemn their actions without ever condemning those same actions being committed by your government.

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Originally posted by Krypton Is American the only country allowed to pressure its interests on other countries?

uhhh, isn't that what your precious UN does...or what their mandate claims anyway?

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This really boggles my mind...We can occupy Iraq and force feed democracy on them, but Iran, oh no, they must mind their own business because they are evil radicals..give me a break..

no. we can get rid of Saddam and his merry band of losers and give them the foundation you, a free thinking progressive in a liberal western democracy, take for granted and what most democracies in the world would defend to the death.

it's when you start apologizing and equivocating and dismissing what countries like Iran and Syria do in the name of one almighty religion, regardless of who's in the Whitehouse b/c they were doing it loooooong before Bush, you begin to lose your already wobbly intellectual and ideological last leg standing.

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Originally posted by Krypton It means the belief that all actions done by your government are right.

i guess Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy and Reagan were "American extremists".

i think you're an American extermist. the label is sooooooooo stupid and shallow.

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Originally posted by Q5echo uhhh, isn't that what your precious UN does...or what their mandate claims anyway?

That is what's SUPPOSED to happen. You seem to believe unilateralism on our part is something worth commendation.

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no. we can get rid of Saddam and his merry band of losers and give them the foundation you, a free thinking progressive in a liberal western democracy, take for granted and what most democracies in the world would defend to the death.

Who gave us the right to get rid of Saddam? You? The UN sure didn't give us that right. I don't take my freedom, or lack of it, for granted in the least. We do not have a right to force feed our system of government down other nation's throats. You probably ignored the 1 million Iraqis who have marched several times demanding we end our unjust occupation. If the Iraqi's wanted democracy then the Iraqi's would fight for their own democracy.

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it's when you start apologizing and equivocating and dismissing what countries like Iran and Syria do in the name of one almighty religion, regardless of who's in the Whitehouse b/c they were doing it loooooong before Bush, you begin to lose your already wobbly intellectual and ideological last leg standing.

No no no...I'm applying the same standard you apply on just Iran and Syria on every player in the region. You completely ignore American and Israeli war crimes and agreesive acts and focus solely on those of Iran and Syria. You condemn Iran's funding of Hezbollah, yet, you fail to condemn your own government's support of terrorist groups itself. I don't know whether to call you blind to criticize your government or just a hypocrite. And I don't want to call you a hypocrite..

Iran and Syria do not base their activities on religion. Nice spin there champ...Iran and Syria reject American/Zionist hegemony in the region and they act to resist it. As their moral backbone, of course, Islam gives them the justification to "fight back when oppressed", which is in the Koran, I have read it myself. Just like Bush's ideological backbone is fundamentalist Christianity and authoritarian conservatism.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i guess Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy and Reagan were "American extremists". i think you're an American extermist. the label is sooooooooo stupid and shallow.

How can a president like Lincoln or Roosevelt question themselves? THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT...Apparently you completely misunderstood my previous post. American extremism is the INABILITY TO QUESTION AUTHORITY... specifically of your federal government. It is the blind loyalty to that government even when it violates the law.

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Originally posted by Krypton That is what's SUPPOSED to happen.

so you agree that the America is not the only entity that pressures its interests on other countries?

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Who gave us the right to get rid of Saddam?

Bill Clinton and the 105th Congress?

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If the Iraqi's wanted democracy then the Iraqi's would fight for their own democracy.

...but they are

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Iran and Syria do not base their activities on religion.

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Originally posted by Q5echo +1 i'm down with that. anybody else? Syria sucks. Iran blows. if i see one more so-called "free thinking progressive" sitting comfortably in any of the dozens of Western liberal democracies appologize, equivocate, or so much as dismiss what Iran and Syria do to other countries in the name of a religion i'm going to puke.

Right, just because they have taken actions to fight against Israels occupation of Lebenon in the past that makes them bad evil terrorist?

you really want to talk about other nations using religion as a cause of war?how about you take a close look at your own country first?didnt your presidnt invade Iraq because god told him it is the right thing to do so?

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Originally posted by Krypton American extremism is the INABILITY TO QUESTION AUTHORITY...

thats your opinion and nothing more. stfu about it already, you made it up out of your juvenile rejection of "authority".

Funny how Q5echo doesnt want to admit how many times the US government has supported these "terrorist organizations" in the past.Infact they are supporting and paying alot of money to the Sunni terrorist groups in Iraq right now.Keep in mind these so called allies were the same ones killing American troops 2-3 years back.

I can make a nice list of US support of terrorist organizations from the past for you if you cant remember.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Right, just because they have taken actions to fight against Israels occupation of Lebenon in the past that makes them bad evil terrorist?

nope.

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you really want to talk about other nations using religion as a cause of war?how about you take a close look at your own country first?didnt your presidnt invade Iraq because god told him it is the right thing to do so?

who said anything about war? i thought we were discussing Iranian/Syrian social and un-democratic hegemony in the ME?