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Originally posted by George Smiley If tax is a proportion of a person's income, then they will always be well off if they have a high paid job/business won't they? Also, whose supposed to pay for all the hospitals and schools and police and firemen and soldiers?

I'm not opposed to all taxes. I am opposed to the system you advocate. I believe most of us that actually pay taxes pay more than enough to fund legitimate government operations and services and that those that don't pay any taxes should receive some sort of income tax credit for something unearned (how is that any different from inheritance, that you cannot stand by your own admission? Just because a "poor" person receives it makes it ok?). I don't believe taxes need to be increased when we all know that increasing taxes won't balance the budget, which is the real problem, imho.

Furthermore, if you're in favor of heavily taxing all inheritance--is it not a stretch to say you're incentivizing the government to kill/sacrifice the wealthiest members of society in order to promote their own agenda, or to help fill in their own budgetary shortcomings? Eesh.

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Originally posted by Kapedano Should we redistribute grades? If a person gets an A all the time, and another person in failing, why don't we take some grades from the A student and give it to the F student for the better of society?

True...that would promote equality. I'm on board!

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Originally posted by Kapedano Should we redistribute grades? If a person gets an A all the time, and another person in failing, why don't we take some grades from the A student and give it to the F student for the better of society?

No, I don't think it would be fair on your class mate if you swapped all your Fs with their As

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Originally posted by Kapedano Should we redistribute grades? If a person gets an A all the time, and another person in failing, why don't we take some grades from the A student and give it to the F student for the better of society?

that's a stupid example. the goals for grading students and taxing citizens are entirely different.

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Originally posted by Shakka I'm not opposed to all taxes. I am opposed to the system you advocate. I believe most of us that actually pay taxes pay more than enough to fund legitimate government operations and services and that those that don't pay any taxes should receive some sort of income tax credit for something unearned (how is that any different from inheritance, that you cannot stand by your own admission? Just because a "poor" person receives it makes it ok?). I don't believe taxes need to be increased when we all know that increasing taxes won't balance the budget, which is the real problem, imho. Furthermore, if you're in favor of heavily taxing all inheritance--is it not a stretch to say you're incentivizing the government to kill/sacrifice the wealthiest members of society in order to promote their own agenda, or to help fill in their own budgetary shortcomings? Eesh.

I believe the subject is income tax, not inheritance tax...

And you obviously don't pay enough taxes, or are not prepared to pay enough taxes, to fund the minimum essential services that other countries give their citizens as a right, otherwise education and health would be free for all at the same standard for all

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Originally posted by George Smiley No, I don't think it would be fair on your class mate if you swapped all your Fs with their As

But I will be poor and no money will be given to me? I thought your system would help people like me?

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Originally posted by Kapedano But I will be poor and no money will be given to me? I thought your system would help people like me?

Nobody can help you, sorry

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Originally posted by George Smiley Nobody can help you, sorry

No problem George. I will give Obama a call and see what he can do for me. It would only seem more reasonable to waste my life asking for help, rather then helping my own self.

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Originally posted by George Smiley And you obviously don't pay enough taxes, or are not prepared to pay enough taxes, to fund the minimum essential services that other countries give their citizens as a right, otherwise education and health would be free for all at the same standard for all

Wow. Just...wow. I guess I should be looking for a handout then seeing as how I don't pay enough taxes and many of the people BO claims to intend to help are those that pay little, if any income tax at all. Gimme gimme gimme!!! Where's mine?!?!

Income tax, inheritance tax--they've both come up in this thread already and you've made your position more than clear plenty of times in the past. The bottom line is that you want government to arbitrarily forcibly take money from those that have made it into the weaker hands of those that have not in the name of an arbitrarily, ever changing construct of "fair" depending on who the elected leaders are at the time and what their collective determination of "fair" is. I read you loud and clear.

Don't worry folks, Obama will make it better.

Any time I start wanting to defend Obama, someone like George comes around and reminds me just how much I hate the socialistic left..

I still can't support Mccain though. Obama is the lesser of two evils.

I think every American should be required to spend at least six months in northern Europe.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I think every American should be required to spend at least six months in northern Europe.

Fine. I'm going to Scotland.