I can't stand beatmatching and mixing with master tempo, it does something to the highs and kick, even at small pitch changes, that makes it more difficult for me to hear minute shifts and match tracks tightly.

I used mixed in key for about 6 months before I got tired of automatically searching my case for key and not thinking about the music itself.

I mix fine if not much better without the info. Going by feeling is what all the DJs I admire most do.


Also, Ferry Corsten has all his music keyed, whether or not he uses the info all the time I don't know.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

hey lets make programs that warp tracks for us tell us the bpm and key and everyone in this world will be DJS!

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Originally posted by Clovis Also, Ferry Corsten has all his music keyed, whether or not he uses the info all the time I don't know.

I've seen him live and he was mixing off-key pretty often... but it was a few years ago, things may have changed. Are you sure that he keys his records?

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Originally posted by Fusic hey lets make programs that warp tracks for us tell us the bpm and key and everyone in this world will be DJS!

Yeah, let's. Why not excactly? Having pride in your hobby only because it's difficult is pompous and pre-mature. You should have pride in your hobby because you love it, nothing else.

DJing is just so much more than beatmatching and harmonic mixing. This program doesn't even do anything new. If you wanted to, you could key your tunes using the piano. Anyone could do that as well. Hell, you could even determine the BPM of your tunes using a stop-watcher. Anyone could do that as well.

If you want beatmatching to be difficult, create music with strings and strings only. I hear mozart is really hard to beatmatch. Unless you do though, just admit that it's not that hard.

and it's not even what DJing is about. DJing is love for the music, nothing else.

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Originally posted by PutBoy Yeah, let's. Why not excactly? Having pride in your hobby only because it's difficult is pompous and pre-mature. You should have pride in your hobby because you love it, nothing else. DJing is just so much more than beatmatching and harmonic mixing. This program doesn't even do anything new. If you wanted to, you could key your tunes using the piano. Anyone could do that as well. Hell, you could even determine the BPM of your tunes using a stop-watcher. Anyone could do that as well. If you want beatmatching to be difficult, create music with strings and strings only. I hear mozart is really hard to beatmatch. Unless you do though, just admit that it's not that hard. and it's not even what DJing is about. DJing is love for the music, nothing else.

If DJing isn't about that and its about the love of the music then there shouldn’t be any tools to help make it easier on your part, want to figure out if keys match? Like you said get on a piano and figure it out. Want to beatmatch two songs? Play the records and actually have hands on experience instead of clicking play and having a program beatmatch for you.

The art of mixing is just slowly fading away with all these programs that are basically TELLING you what songs go good with each other, why don’t you be the judge? Do some work yourself

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These fools in here bitching about this program are the same people that will not react to the change in the industry with vinyl to cdjs to digital dj's.

Things, especially industries as big as music, are constantly changing and becoming more technically sound. Why in the fuck would you not want to use a tool to improve your performance?

I agree I can hear and pick somgs just as easily by ear but the main reason I use it is to have a system of playing tracks. I play 2-4 hours a night and this helps me keep the music fresh for MYSELF! Tracks have a specific shelf life before they become played out, and I mean by me not the industry. Think about it. When you're playing a set normally you think, this song is hot, I like this song, I'm going to play it. Doing this it becomes extremely easy to make a track overplayed and boring. If you're constantly starting in different keys and progressing in your sets you're limiting the number of times each song is played, meaning that a-people have no idea what to expect, b-your sets are always fresh, and c-instead of tossing those classic tracks into the back of your crate where they will rarely if ever be played again, they're right there with the rest of the songs they're harmonically compatible with.

I just dont understand how some of you people can be so ignorant as to think that doing it by ear (human error factor) or that mixing in key isn't advantageous or important.

This is why you will never make it. Times change, you either change with them or get left in the dust.

Gtfo haters.

I have V3 and may upgrade to V4, but I love this program!

Great work man, I fully support your program and mission!

-DJ Fitt

you should add support for other formats than wav and mp3 too. aiff, flac, apple lossless etc.

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Originally posted by Fusic If DJing isn't about that and its about the love of the music then there shouldn’t be any tools to help make it easier on your part, want to figure out if keys match? Like you said get on a piano and figure it out. Want to beatmatch two songs? Play the records and actually have hands on experience instead of clicking play and having a program beatmatch for you. The art of mixing is just slowly fading away with all these programs that are basically TELLING you what songs go good with each other, why don’t you be the judge? Do some work yourself

Wow. This is ridiculous. You purists need to die. Some people have jobs, produce, and also have families and friends. You know how hard it is to juggle all of this? In the end the only thing that matters is the result. Is that all I care about...no. But that is the objective. Making the best mix possible. Some of us dont have the time to take on such a purist thought process.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Some of us dont have the time to take on such a purist thought process.

then don't choose mixing as your hobby?

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Originally posted by Fusic then don't choose mixing as your hobby?

You're right, its my job. Along with production and my full time job.

I can understand holding the mantra of the past if its a hobby, since you dont have any rush or deadline to get where you're going so you can afford to take a slower learning curve, but like I said, not everybody is in it for the same thing. It's not about the money for me, I do several free shows weekly on top of everything, but its about getting the maximum quality set to the listener in the minimum amount of time possible.

Does that mean that I dont appreciate people who use vinyl, or that I myself wouldnt want to learn to spin vinyl? No not at all I actually plan on doing so down the road. But in life there are responsibilities and priorities. I am so very lucky to have this as an available option for my lifes work, something I love. Its just people have different levels of time and goals.

With all of the money people SHOULD (piracy, duh) be spending on tracks, the price of this program is well worth a try. Have to stay open minded people! I guarantee though if you try it you'll start using it in your sets.

As far as harmonic mixing goes though, I don't really use it. I just use songs that sound good together and really that accomplishes the same thing. I think this limits you too much to making a mix because your so restricted to 3 keys per song. This is not what music is about to me. Boundaries like these just seem too limiting unless your making a mash up or your intending to make a perfectly harmonic mix.

Just a quick question in regards to the Camelot wheel...do you just choose songs that are in each "hour" to play next or do you have to do key changes on your mixer using the harmonic efx?

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Originally posted by DJ Blitzkrieg I think this limits you too much to making a mix because your so restricted to 3 keys per song.

I want to share my advice. You said that harmonic mixing is restricted to 3 keys, but you forgot a lot of other options. When I watch the best harmonic mixing DJs use our software, they use 11 different methods:


Basic mixes

1. Same key: 5A > 5A (results in a perfect mashup)
2. +1: 5A > 6A (smooth mix, one of the 4 basics)
3. -1: 5A > 4A (smooth mix, one of the 4 basics)
4. Same key, different letter: 5A > 5B (minor to major mix, or vice versa. it creates a nice change of melody and sounds great)


Pro DJ mixes

5. +2: 5A > 7A (energy boost mix, makes the crowd dance harder)
6. +7: 5A > 12A (energy boost mix, but with a massive key clash. uplifting but unpleasant to hear)
7. +4: 5A > 9A (what I call the "David Guetta" modulation mix -- doesn't work all the time, but sounds like magic when done right)
8. If your keycode ends in "A", add 3 numbers, change letter: 5A > 8B (a mix that works perfectly with long breakdowns in Trance and chillout music)
9. If your keycode ends in "B", subtract 3, change letter: 8B > 5A (same as #8 above).

Bassline modulation effects

10. +1, change the letter: 5A > 6B (modulation mix that works for a lot of music with a chunky bassline, such as House and Electro)
11. -1, change the letter: 5A > 4B (same as #10 above)


Here is the trick with harmonic mixing: If you know keys of your tracks ahead of time, you will *know* what effect it's going to have on your audience. You can raise the energy, take them on a journey, etc. Harmonic mixing is the ultimate crowd control tool. Which is why Armin Van Buuren, Paul Van Dyk, Sasha, John Digweed and thousands of others use it every time they play. It's a guarantee that you will stay in control of your audience.