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hasbone
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Not for critics.

Old Post Nov-19-2008 10:48  Denmark
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Sykonee
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quote:
Originally posted by Teezdalien
I'm no PVD fan, but Simo does have a point that you all seem to have missed. It's easy to criticize things things that don't relate to you.

So... if I'm a clubber, and I criticize the music being played, THEN it makes it alright?


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Ted Promo
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quote:
Originally posted by Sykonee
So... if I'm a clubber, and I criticize the music being played, THEN it makes it alright?


Right.

If someone comes up to you while a Barry Manilow song isn't playing and asks you what you think of his music, you can't say he is a dick cheese. You can only say that you are unable to comment at this time because his music isn't playing and he has too many accolades. There is an etiquette here. Someone pull that up for all the clueless twits here.

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SYSTEM-J
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Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Simo
Taste in music is relative, so no need to bash the guy...... He has done more than you (naysayers) will ever even hope to accomplish so there is something to say in that. Now go crawl back in your little holes and be bitter. It's easy to criticize when you haven't done SHIT, isn't it?


Do you realise you're making the same argument that is always made in this kind of thread and has been shot down every single time? If comparable success is a prerequisite to valid opinion, then you equally have no right to opinion. Which means you can't praise PVD either!

It turns out that everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether it be a positive or negative one. Keep reading because this next bit still applies to you:

quote:
Originally posted by Teezdalien
I'm no PVD fan, but Simo does have a point that you all seem to have missed. It's easy to criticize things things that don't relate to you.


I don't see how PVD doesn't relate to me. I'm a massive fan of his older, 90s material. Seven Ways is one of the best trance albums ever made and I have dozens of his other remixes and productions from that era.

Since I've spent plenty of money on Paul Van Dyk records I think I'm as entitled as anyone to have a say on the direction his music has taken. And frankly, this bullshit about clubbers, not critics is a smokescreen to disguise the clinical money-making exercise his career has become. I don't think he was making music for the critics in 1996 either, but he made fantastic music. Now he makes derivative pop-trash to hook in the kids who vote for him on the DJ Mag Top 100. His statement is an insult to critics and clubbers alike, because it assumes that critics never go clubbing and clubbers have no taste. Anyone who knows anything about Paul Van Dyk can see instantly that he's just making records to make money and bolster his fame, not to add something of worth to electronic music as he once did.


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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
Originally posted by DJ Simo
Taste in music is relative, so no need to bash the guy......

Of course taste is relative, or at least it is to some degree. That doesn't mean that people are forbidden to talk about the reasons why they like or dislike something.

Nor does it mean that the only options in a music discussion are either to proclaim how much you love PvD or else just shut up, which is how a lot of people seem to interpret "taste is subjective."

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Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Nor does it mean that the only options in a music discussion are either to proclaim how much you love PvD or else just shut up, which is how a lot of people seem to interpret "taste is subjective."

Let's just pull out the jealousy card so we can get it over with.


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Minimalism
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does anyone know anything about him and his wife getting a divorce? it had something to do with him receiving 'special treats' from jessica sutta while recording 'white lies'


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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Let's just pull out the jealousy card so we can get it over with.

He already did that implicitly when he talked about people on the forum being bitter because they haven't done what PvD has.

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quote:
Originally posted by Minimalism
does anyone know anything about him and his wife getting a divorce? it had something to do with him receiving 'special treats' from jessica sutta while recording 'white lies'


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r5a
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I've been listening to his Vonync sessions for the last while now.

Some of the sets he plays out are incredible, and some kinda bad but for the most part though he was playing good tunes. Don't see what the hate here is for.

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