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Originally posted by fullhouse you guys are pissed in an egocentric fashion just cause one guy got what u got without sacrificing what u sacrificed why should he do time? like someone said previously, they just got crafty its the system that's faulty, not the people kinda fucking mind boggling that people can fake a paper and get to train police and rcmp... DONT HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME and for the record, your issue isnt with him faking a degree ultimately its about him making more money then u (ok maybe theres the status also if he fished a phd but usually its to score those JOB$$$$$$ (lol@whitehouse dude) ) but lets be real...are these the only guys making money the easy way?

A Degree/Diploma from a Univ or a College is supposed to be representative of the work done there. While it may be one thing (although still shady) to buy one from an unaccredited institution - it's a different thing when buying FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS for REAL Universities.

If some guy wants to buy a Ph.D from Tiddlywinks unaccredited University, and some employer is willing to accept that - then I guess that is jut a 'name of the game'.

But, if some guy is buying a Ph.D from York U - this is clearly getting into the realm of fraud.

Putting myself into an employers shoes - would I really want to hire somebody who knowingly participated in fraud to obtain a fake degree or diploma? No, it shows a lacking of morals and poor ethic. - I don't have the time / money / dedication to achieve this, so I'll just buy an imitation instead. Yes, that's exactly the quality I'm looking for in a potential employee.

One can sit around and argue the merits of post secondary education, if it actually does anything to prepare you for the work-force and if any of the jobs asking for a degree actually require one - but that's all secondary to the point.

- Employers ask for degree
- Employee purchase fraudulent degree

Your presenting falsified information to obtain a position/job, potentially taking it away from more qualified people, in what world is that not wrong?

Even if in every other way the person was a perfect fit for the job - they had the skills, the knowledge, can do the job 100% perfectly without the degree - the fact that they partook in fraud to get the job is wrong.

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Originally posted by fullhouse No If old women dont carry their bags, what u gonna steal ? If everybody verifies authenticity of degrees, who you gonna fool? I dont remember saying that this justifies the action Quite simply that the fault shouldnt rest on the forger's shoulders sole I mean what... you expect everybody to be honest? Im not playing the devils advocate here im just saying that these guys do it because they can. and they can because 'we' let them so instead of trying to incarcerate all these punks try to prevent them from having an opportunity to get incarcerated thats being honest

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Originally posted by fullhouse No If old women dont carry their bags, what u gonna steal ? If everybody verifies authenticity of degrees, who you gonna fool? I dont remember saying that this justifies the action Quite simply that the fault shouldnt rest on the forger's shoulders sole I mean what... you expect everybody to be honest? Im not playing the devils advocate here im just saying that these guys do it because they can. and they can because 'we' let them so instead of trying to incarcerate all these punks try to prevent them from having an opportunity to get incarcerated thats being honest

while i get what you're saying i still think you're wrong

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Originally posted by geroin while i get what you're saying i still think you're wrong

lol Gera, you know what I meant though, right? in Mother Russia you can buy anything hahah

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Originally posted by geroin while i get what you're saying i still think you're wrong

good point

fuck I still say they should do time and be registered.

I'm just too bitter, all this hard work and some asshole just buys a degree and gets a better paying job.

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Originally posted by xxrompxx fuck I still say they should do time and be registered. I'm just too bitter, all this hard work and some asshole just buys a degree and gets a better paying job.

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Originally posted by fullhouse [/b] and for the record, your issue isnt with him faking a degree ultimately its about him making more money then u

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Originally posted by xxrompxx fuck I still say they should do time and be registered. I'm just too bitter, all this hard work and some asshole just buys a degree and gets a better paying job.

relaaaaax you know what you're worth, that's all that matters

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Originally posted by fullhouse No If old women dont carry their bags, what u gonna steal ? If everybody verifies authenticity of degrees, who you gonna fool? I dont remember saying that this justifies the action Quite simply that the fault shouldnt rest on the forger's shoulders sole I mean what... you expect everybody to be honest? Im not playing the devils advocate here im just saying that these guys do it because they can. and they can because 'we' let them so instead of trying to incarcerate all these punks try to prevent them from having an opportunity to get incarcerated thats being honest

you're placing a reverse onus on society and I think that's a cop out (although indeed a suggestion to help combat this situation).

it's not society's responsibility to ensure its memebers adhere to the law. the law exists independent of its enforcement. random policing does indeed prevent 'chaos', but if such policing did not exist it would not remove that responsibility to adhere to the law.

sure...'we' can mitigate this behaviour with more active 'policing', but that in no way invalidates my suggestion that the forger and those purchasing the forged documents ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

(as someone pointed out, there is a difference between buying a 'degree' from an institution that doesn't exist or isn't a 'real' school. I have far less sympathy for employers or those who are fooled in that regard, though that is still misrepresentation on the part of the 'applicant'. a forged degree from a legitimate school is taking it one step further and those people should face the relevant additional charges (forged documents as opposed to mere misrepresentation).

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Originally posted by geroin while i get what you're saying

ya right!!!!

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew relaaaaax you know what you're worth, that's all that matters

no, justice matters as well.

If the degree is worth anything to begin with, the person who fakes having one will be called out pretty quickly.

This is why no one is really able to fake being an engineer or a medical doctor as well as they can being an arts grad.