LOL so now Israel goes same way as Russia in Georgia, and the US supports it.

what a damn Christmas joke.

Last edited by otec on Dec-28-2008 at 17:12

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Alright, so Russia was just in their response to Georgia this summer as well? I mean alls fair right... Those Georgians killed a couple "Russians" so Russia can invade and take over half the country and aide and arm the rebel groups there?

That's actually a superb example. Thanks for bringing it up.

How many of you were "up in arms" about Russia putting down a Georgian provocation? But here you're actually understanding of Israel's actions.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd That's actually a superb example. Thanks for bringing it up. How many of you were "up in arms" about Russia putting down a Georgian provocation? But here you're actually understanding of Israel's actions.

Exactly! Q5echo, this might not be exactly the same sentiment, but very similar.

On the issue of comparing the US invasion of Iraq to the Russian invasion of Georgia you agreed that there is a difference in moral equivalency.

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Originally posted by Q5echo quote: Originally posted by The17sss Did the Russians go to the UN Security Council and show where the Georgians had violated 14 resolutions? Did they spend a year and a half jawing with the French and others to try to get us some assistance so that we could go in and enforce UN resolutions that Saddam Hussein had broken or that the Georgians in this case? No. There is no parallel whatsoever. There's no moral equivalence, but leave it to the blame America first people to come up with it. +1

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=26#post9079330

That you agree in condemnation of Russia for their unilateral and heavy actions but allow Israel to pursue unilateral and relatively larger action against Hamas inside the Gaza Strip appears as a double standard to me.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby So you recognize Hamas as a legitimate government and a state actor?

I recognize that they were elected but as far as acting 'governmental' they are far from it.
No other government in the real world would get away with what they do get away with.
I don't know how else to describe them other than Israel's bad brother (I hope that made sense)...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I recognize that they were elected but as far as acting 'governmental' they are far from it. No other government in the real world would get away with what they do get away with. I don't know how else to describe them other than Israel's bad brother (I hope that made sense)...

The US government has got away with that they did, so what?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I recognize that they were elected but as far as acting 'governmental' they are far from it. No other government in the real world would get away with what they do get away with. I don't know how else to describe them other than Israel's bad brother (I hope that made sense)...

Then the expectations of a nation state do not exactly apply to them and they do not receive the full responsibility of being on the world stage, nor do they receive the benefits of it either.

Israel is a member of the global community and should act in accordance with the accepted idea of responsible use of force.

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Originally posted by otec The US government has got away with that they did, so what?

This is out of scope to the current argument...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer You actually believe answering fire with more fire is the way to response?so what you think Hamas will just sit back and stop these attacks?

Yes, if you want to consider it a "war" then if one side wants to win, answering with fire and in an overpowering way is pretty much required.

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You seem to forget the type of conditions the people in Gaza are living under.For the most part they have no water or fuel or any supply of(or barely enough)medicine since Isreal is always blocking the boarders. These people are fedup and the worlds seems to be doing fuck all to help them out.

The ball is in Hamas' court to change this for the good of "their people". Instead, they want to provoke what they knew would eventually happen. Why do you think the world is doing fuck all about it? The way to broker peace and help the people you govern is not to loft rockets into civillian towns and cancel an agreed upon cease fire.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Then the expectations of a nation state do not exactly apply to them and they do not receive the full responsibility of being on the world stage, nor do they receive the benefits of it either. Israel is a member of the global community and should act in accordance with the accepted idea of responsible use of force.

Yes, but in this instance where Israel is forced to deal with an entity that does not follow global rules of engagement, Israel can only deal with it the best they can without handcuffing themselves.
We're talking about a county with their back constantly against the wall because the others surrounding them, don't play by, 'the rules'.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby That you agree in condemnation of Russia for their unilateral and heavy actions but allow Israel to pursue unilateral and relatively larger action against Hamas inside the Gaza Strip appears as a double standard to me.

It was just different man... In a very simplistic explanation, Georgia did not break an agreed upon cease fire and launch a bunch of rockets into civillian Russian towns. If that happened, fucking A I'd be totally supportive of Russia turning Georgia into a parking lot. It was a matter between Georgian police/soldiers and Russian (so called) peacekeepers that got out of hand inside the borders of Georgia.