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I think you've missed the point Notle.
Vengeance samples are ripped from other people. FACT. It's quite clear that a lot were taken from existing songs, made by other producers.
So therefore it is not "TRUE" as stated in your post that the Vengeance CD come out first, even if you do see FM tutorials with producers using (btw, that doesn't mean they're not ripped from other peoples tracks ).
Also, what you're trying to justify with your posts is that producers use samples so why can't he (manuel) rip them off someone else? That's because samples are bought and used by people to making songs, and Manuel is making money by ripping off other peoples songs. But than again, there's no law against it, as most percussion loops can't be copywrited.
I'm sure manuel is a nice guy and I actually think the vengeance samples are good/useful, but please, don't believe the hype and do your homework before posting - it's all been posted here several times before.
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