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MisterOpus1
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Seems my governor, Kathleen Sebelius is also in the running for the position. Either she or Dean would be good choices. I'm a little partial to Sebelius, of course, and her record of taking on insurance companies prior to becoming governor is pretty well known here in Kansas.


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jerZ07002
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Originally posted by The17sss
Sounds so complicated. Do you only practice law in NJ? I may need your services


I'm admitted in NJ, but I can't practice in NJ because i don't maintain an office in the state. I'm also admitted in NY and practice in NY. Most likely I'll be admitted in DC within a year.

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Shakka
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Just to add insult to injury and a little perspective.

quote:
Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to paying taxes: They say taxes are a patriotic duty. So why did Geithner and Daschle have trouble paying them?
By Jonah Goldberg
During the presidential campaign, Joe Biden insisted that paying your taxes is a patriotic duty. No, scratch that. He said that supporting a tax hike was the American thing to do. "It's time to be patriotic," he told America's putative tax slackers. When asked whether he might be questioning the patriotism of people who don't want higher taxes, Biden, as is his wont, took things to the next rhetorical level. Forget patriotism, insisted Joe, paying higher taxes is a religious obligation.

The man who gave an average of $369 a year to charity over the previous decade fulfills his religious obligations by cutting a tax check -- a check he's required to cut by law.

Now it's always perilous to take Biden's statements too seriously, but it does seem eminently fair to say that his comments reflect a common, if not universal, attitude among Democrats. Taxes aren't a "necessary evil" so much as a joyous affirmation of the possibilities of government and the lifeblood of a more hopeful society. "Taxes are what you pay to be an American" -- like "membership fees," says Democratic language guru George Lakoff.

President Obama merely says that taxes are necessary to "spread the wealth," which is better for everybody. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman frames the issue more reasonably: "Nobody likes paying taxes ... [but] most Americans also care a lot about the things taxes pay for." In other words, paying taxes -- and raising taxes in Krugman's view -- is the adult, serious, morally responsible thing to do. Government needs every last penny, and holdouts must be smoked out.
Now, whatever the best articulation of liberal attitudes toward taxation may be, reasonable people can agree that they inject a lot of moralizing, righteousness and finger-wagging into the issue.
As one leading Democrat put it: "Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter."

That Democrat was then-Sen. Tom Daschle in 1998. The same Tom Daschle, we've since learned, who failed to pay more than $100,000 in back taxes for perks he received as one of Washington's most relentless influence-peddlers -- that is, until he realized he might receive a job in the Obama administration spending the money most Americans conscientiously send to Washington.


Daschle's hardly alone. The recently confirmed Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, also failed to pay taxes he owed (even though he surely must have known he owed them) until it became politically expedient to pay them. Now he runs the IRS. Take that, suckers.
Meanwhile, Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the supreme tax-writing body in the United States, the House Ways and Means Committee, is under investigation for, among other things, dodging taxes. His excuse for his admitted mistakes is that he was sloppy and ignorant, but not criminal. Geithner and Daschle make similar noises.

But doesn't that miss the point?

When moralizing conservatives get caught, say, cheating on their wives or challenging stall mates to robust Greco-Roman wrestling in airport bathrooms, liberals justifiably howl at the hypocrisy of it all (even though conservative moralizing has no teeth, while the IRS has agents with guns). When liberals fail to pay taxes -- the wellspring of a just society -- it's merely, to borrow an old phrase from Daschle, "sad and disappointing," but ultimately not that big a deal.

When he was still running the Democratic Party, Howard Dean made fighting hypocrisy his top priority. "Hypocrisy is a value that I think has been embraced by the Republican Party. We get lectured by people all day long about moral values by people who have their own moral shortcomings."

Well, I hear a lot of lecturing from Democrats about why I should be ashamed for not liking taxes more because "the children" need it. Florida Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson defended the so-called stimulus bill last week by saying it "shelters the homeless, and heals the sick. It helps us to look forward to a day where we beat our swords into plowshares."

By the Democrats' own logic, not wanting to pay for that is selfish, unpatriotic and immoral. But who do they think tax cheats are cheating?

"I will use whatever position I have in order to root out hypocrisy," Dean promised. "I'm not going to be lectured as a Democrat -- we've got some pretty strong moral values in my party, and maybe we ought to do a better job standing up and fighting for them."

Yes, I would like to see that myself. That would be change I could believe in.

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Lebezniatnikov
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The governor's office wouldn't say this week how much she owes in back taxes for meal money, or whether she intends to continue to receive the per diem allowance. As of December, she was still charging the state for meals and incidentals.

"The amount of taxes owed is a private matter," Sharon Leighow, Palin's spokeswoman, said in an e-mail. "If the governor collects future per diem, those documents would be a matter of public record."


http://www.adn.com/palin/story/693695.html

/waits patiently for the outrage to pour in from the17sss...


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Clovis
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I would really love to never hear anything about Sarah Palin ever again for the rest of my life.


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The17sss
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quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/693695.html

/waits patiently for the outrage to pour in from the17sss...


Haha.. I guess she's qualified to serve in Obama's cabinet now.

This is old news, friends... she requested that the matter be investigated back in August.
quote:
"These issues were raised during the national campaign and as result of the national campaign the governor asked us to look into this," [Department of Administration Commissioner Annette] Kreitzer said.

Palin had collected nearly $17,000 in per diem payments before she was named to the Republican ticket. The expenses were paid for more than 300 nights she slept at her home in the Anchorage suburb of Wasilla and commuted 40 miles to her Anchorage office instead of living in the governor's mansion in Juneau, the state capital. Juneau, in the Alaska Panhandle 600 miles from Wasilla, is only accessible by airplane or ship.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218...alin_per_diem_1

She requested the matter be investigated, which is better than getting found out and then playing dumb and acting like you couldn't navigate Turbo Tax, a la Geitner.

But, taxes gotta be paid. She needs to pay up.

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Q5echo
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quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/693695.html

/waits patiently for the outrage to pour in from the17sss...


OMG did you even read your link?

you're capable of some fairly keen insight but that attempt at ridicule was pathetic, sorry.

why do people hate her so much? i can understand differing political views but peopel only generate this much hate against someone or something if they feel threatened in some way by them.

LIBERAL BDS SUFFERER's RULE OF THUMB #1: if Olberman isn't running with it in heavy rotation ad nauseum like an inbred golden retriever with a stick in it's mouth, it's best not to touch it for fear of further percieved psychosis.

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jerZ07002
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Originally posted by Q5echo
why do people hate her so much? i can understand differing political views but peopel only generate this much hate against someone or something if they feel threatened in some way by them.


it's hard to describe, but she has an quality that makes you either despise her or love her.

For me, her dumb quirky comments drive me insane. The "ya betchas" and the country twang really rub me the wrong way. It has more to do with her outward appearance, i.e., the way she presents herself to the world, than any of her positions. While I don't agree with many of her positions that isn't the reason i despise the woman.

FYI - there are also a ton of democrats whom i despise; kennedy, pelosi, and Rangel are three I could think of without any significant effort.

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Clovis
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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo

why do people hate her so much?


She's the real life version of a cartoon character that represents everything wrong with this country.


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Q5echo
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quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
She's the real life version of a cartoon character that represents everything wrong with this country.


yeah but why? is vague the new irrational?

EDIT> anyways, only a meat head would srsly think a cartoon character could represent everything wrong with this country. try again.

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Lebezniatnikov
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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
OMG did you even read your link?

you're capable of some fairly keen insight but that attempt at ridicule was pathetic, sorry.

why do people hate her so much? i can understand differing political views but peopel only generate this much hate against someone or something if they feel threatened in some way by them.

LIBERAL BDS SUFFERER's RULE OF THUMB #1: if Olberman isn't running with it in heavy rotation ad nauseum like an inbred golden retriever with a stick in it's mouth, it's best not to touch it for fear of further percieved psychosis.



How does pointing out that it happens to your darling Republican savior too constitute hate?

My point is that if there's going to be outrage that Daschle and Geithner owed back-taxes, we might as well be consistent.

Also, I don't watch Olbermann. Sorry.


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The17sss
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quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov

Also, I don't watch Olbermann. Sorry.


I detect a glimmer of hope in you Lebez. One day, we'll have a break-through

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