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Originally posted by -=Kotten=- Muslims who doesnt dedicate their life to bring Dar al Harb (house of war) to Dar al Islam (House of Islam) are not true muslims. Exerpts from the "The Reliance of the Traveller" islamic lawbook. This is not some weird propaganda but official islamic law certified by the Al-Azhar university, chief centre of Arabic literature: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion. ...

'Jihad' can translate to war, but it is a term that can mean struggle or challenge just as well. And doesn't that make sense? There exists textual edicts to rally people to defend their religion, to uphold its tenets against those who would defile or destroy it. Islam has been a successful social organism for thousands of years for a great deal of reasons. But Jihad is not merely a call to arms or war, as it would seem if you seek only to interpret it as such - which apparently applies to both yourself as well as some followers of the religion, itself.

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To be perfectly honest, if the Crusades weren't a Christian Jihad I really don't know what is! And considering "God" told George Bush to invade Iraq, then the war that he dragged us all into should probably be considered a Christian Jihad as well.

I think I might make a film about it actually, I'll show a screen of quotes from the Bible where God tells Moses to kill every man and rape every woman in a city, then on the next screen I'll show bombed out Iraqi villages and reports of mass rape in African conflicts. Then I'll say that's proof that all Christians are bloodthirsty Jihadis who kill and rape because "God" tells them to...

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Originally posted by George Smiley To be perfectly honest, if the Crusades weren't a Christian Jihad I really don't know what is! And considering "God" told George Bush to invade Iraq, then the war that he dragged us all into should probably be considered a Christian Jihad as well. I think I might make a film about it actually, I'll show a screen of quotes from the Bible where God tells Moses to kill every man and rape every woman in a city, then on the next screen I'll show bombed out Iraqi villages and reports of mass rape in African conflicts. Then I'll say that's proof that all Christians are bloodthirsty Jihadis who kill and rape because "God" tells them to...

religion is great!!!! there's nothing quite like living a life dictated by anonymous dead people.

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Originally posted by George Smiley So you'll be a Christian then? Taking offence at somebody using your holy book and the actions of your fellow Christians to criticise you? Even tho you have your own interpretation of the Bible and nothing whatsoever to do with the actions of your fellow Christians? (Oh and I love your selective revision of history to make the Christians sound oh so delightful, made your post even funnier than it already is! Btw, the Crusades weren't just against Muslims, were they...?)

I am Agnostic. You can say goodbye to England as you know it or maybe thats what you want.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...rror/article.do
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5741300.ece

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 religion is great!!!!

Isnt it..... I have a link to a video of a man on Valetines day losing his head because he converted to Christianity. Graphic.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196359.php

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS I am Agnostic.

How do you know you're not a Muslim yourself then?!

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You can say goodbye to England as you know it or maybe thats what you want. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...rror/article.do http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle5741300.ece

Ah...

Now we're talking about Islamic extremism, not Islam in general (which is the topic of Fitna, and therefore the topic of this thread)

There is nothing wrong with opposing Islamic extremism (or any kind of extremism for that matter) and I would argue it should be opposed. However, Islamic extremism does not represent the entire Muslim population of Earth, just like Christian extremist terrorism does not represent the entire Christian population of Earth. So while it should be opposed, it can't be used to justify opposition to Islam as a whole (as you and others have objected to my use of the Crusades and violent passages in the Bible to "criticise" Christians as a whole)

It's also completely hypocritical for you to object to Islamic extremism while at the same time arguing that another extremist (whose sole intention is to stir up hatred against sections of society) should be allowed to come into my country to preach hate...

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Originally posted by George Smiley How do you know you're not a Muslim yourself then?!

Because I love pork.

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Because I love pork.

ummmmmmm....bacon!!

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Because I love pork.

Ok good point, most religions don't look too favourably on homosexuality!




Oh, you mean like bacon?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley To be perfectly honest, if the Crusades weren't a Christian Jihad I really don't know what is! And considering "God" told George Bush to invade Iraq, then the war that he dragged us all into should probably be considered a Christian Jihad as well. I think I might make a film about it actually, I'll show a screen of quotes from the Bible where God tells Moses to kill every man and rape every woman in a city, then on the next screen I'll show bombed out Iraqi villages and reports of mass rape in African conflicts. Then I'll say that's proof that all Christians are bloodthirsty Jihadis who kill and rape because "God" tells them to...

Im an atheist but I would still like to see where in the Bible Jesus commands all christians to convert or kill mankind.

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Originally posted by -=Kotten=- Im an atheist but I would still like to see where in the Bible Jesus commands all christians to convert or kill mankind.

Ah but don't forget about Moses! And what God told Moses to do!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Ah but don't forget about Moses! And what God told Moses to do!

Exactly. Moses is one of islams most regarded profets. While christianity belive GOD sent his son to preach about piece, love and understanding and thuss obandon old wicked ways, islam is all about uphoalding the past.

What GOD told moses about the idolworshipers(of the golden calf):
Exodus 32:27
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

This reflects what the koran says about idolworshipers and unbelievers and streangthens muslims view that their obligation is to convert or kill all mankind.

I recommend you to go to a christian church. You will see something behind the alter. Compare this to what happened when someone drew a picture of mohammed.
Soo...based on that...what religion in current times do you think fits the story of moses and the idolworshipers (of the golden calf) ?