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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Theres actually wayyy more SS's that HS's (software than hardware synths) BECAUSE they are cheaper and they are infact also built for way cheaper labor/productivity and all around result to the box.

And they are "cheaper" because you've already paid for the hardware portion of it... your DAW, which is doing the same things that today's VA's are doing. I think that's the point being made, here.

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Originally posted by cronodevir People will not care about Analoque sound....I don't, i have a list of around 50 other musicians on my msn who don't either. Its a fad, a novelty. Its not the core of any genera of music.

That you don't care doesn't mean others don't, take off those blinkers. And talk for yourself.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Some VSTis do sound harsh, some VSTis also develope at lighting speed so soon this won't matter.

At this moment it STILL does matter, hence i invest in hardware, rather than wait untill it lives up to my expectations.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Va algorithms can be applied to a PC no problem. Or better yet, Pc algorythms can be made that do things..better. Thin sounds? Blame the failure of a musician who programmed that patch.

Can be made, but currently aren't.
Dedicated dsp's are still so much more efficient..... LOL mostVSTi's sound "thin/hollow" which does not mean that they are not active in the lower frequency spectrum, but they just sound A LOT LESS DENSE.... I figured by now, you've never heard a REAL MOOG Voyager or JOMOX drumcomputer

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Originally posted by cronodevir Also, since when did thick sounds be a requirement of good sounds? Phatness right now is a fad, the thing people like, its not the foundation of anything.

LOL, no one likes hollow bass :-)

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Originally posted by cronodevir Satges, FX, all things that can be done better on a PC with proper coding.

Again, can be done..... but currently aren't.
Also I use my Lexicon reverb over my Powercore verbs anytime.
Also outboard synths have dedicated signature FX, which give character to the overall sound.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Most of the problems you pointed out have to do with the situation of current technology and software programming. In a year, in 6 months, all of this will change..

Again we're not there yet, so currently outboard IS better, the promise of VSTi's is something else than todays reality.........

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Originally posted by cronodevir and PS, only sheep still use moog and virus. Go invent a better sound and not whore old ass busted sounds from yesterdecade This isn't 1996

LOL, sheep join the fruity gang, you will not find a Virus or Voyager on the pirate bay......

Outboard currently delivers a sound which VSTi's can not match....

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Originally posted by cronodevir [edit: sorry if this post sounds harsh, i am jsut tired of old obsolete artists bragging about how hardware from 20 years ago still beats modern technology, we get it, you stillenjoy that specific sound, but people won't care about it forever, eventually, we will all move on. and pss, if you like trance so much, you would agree with me that it died after 1999, pre 99 trance was awesome, everything after is just...meh]

LOL, music is not about the ingredients but about the chef....
however it's harder to cook cuisine with prefab canned foods than with fresh ingredients.....

I would recommend you to go to a music store, put some headphones on and actually listen...... saves a lot non informed bashing......

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Originally posted by kitphillips Go away, clearly if it costs more its better

you didn't get my point, what I meant to say was that you shall use whatever works for you...be it hardware or software...99% of people won't be able to tell the difference once the track is finished.

This discussion is just for us so called "geeks" to have something to argue about...

@everyone: get a friend of yours and let him listen two tracks, one done with hardware, one done with software...I'm sure, the person will most probably not find much difference.

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The discussion is not if one is better than the other, but if they differ and yes, they differ........ outboard does not sound as VSTi and VSTi does not sound as outboard......

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Tone Nazis!

I just read this whole thread. What a wast of time. I didn't learn anything.

That is all. Thanks

Great post Numb. Without being sarcastic finally someone that sees this topic is crap.

To quote myself from another topic:

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Originally posted by Storyteller Great post Numb. Without being sarcastic finally someone that sees this topic is crap. To quote myself from another topic:

exactly that I'm saying...

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I love these never ending threads that no ones right or wrong.

At the end fo the day, you use what you have and what it takes to get the job done.

I have both owned and used the following, not only in the stores but actually in the studio to make tunes; Alesis A6, Waldorf MicroQ, Sh201, MFB Synth Lite, Access Virus indigo, B & C, Dave Smith Evolver and Mopho. I also have the PowerCore Access Virus which between the VirusB I would use the PoCo version just for ease of programming, the sound to me is slightly deeper on the real deal, but nothing a good mix can't do.

When it's all said and done I use both VSTi and hardware. Sometimes I use just vst, sometimes just hardware. Who fucken cares.

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Apparently anyone who doesn't use hardware, steals software from The Pirate Bay...lol

To the guy above me. Some people actually write your track off as garbage without listening, upon hearing that you didn't use hardware. Or upon hearing that you used a daw less than a grand. Yeah, those people exist, most of them run labels. Most of them are also fucking retarded.

Unfortianlly, we are still stuck in the "its now how you use it, its what you use" stage of life.

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No that's just some pun on top.... just like VSTi lovers, hardware lovers like to bash as well

but it's true, hardware cannot be acquired without financial means. Software can. (wether you support this is a seperate discussion)

I think the best statement was already made earlier, you pick best of both worlds, i have all my mixing and tracking in the box, I use SSL & Powercore for dynamics and FX (though i would love to have some Manley, Tubetech and API in my racks) And i use my sources based on my requirements. some of them are distinct VSTi's for their sound or workflow (i.e. NEXUS2, Gladiator, V-Station)others are hardware (i.e. Virus TI, Voyager, Little Phatty, Blofeld, Elektron sps1 XBASE-999 etc...)

what i will do tonight, is record some Voyager and Phatty material. then one can try if he can post something that comes close to it....

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, right?

Beware, i am not saying that VSTi's are less, or that you can not find your sound in software. I am mereley saying that there is a distinct difference which is appreciated by some.....

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Originally posted by cronodevir Apparently anyone who doesn't use hardware, steals software from The Pirate Bay...lol To the guy above me. Some people actually write your track off as garbage without listening, upon hearing that you didn't use hardware. Or upon hearing that you used a daw less than a grand. Yeah, those people exist, most of them run labels. Most of them are also fucking retarded. Unfortianlly, we are still stuck in the "its now how you use it, its what you use" stage of life.

Ok, this is just nuts. Seriously! This has NEVER been true, and will NEVER be true.

I won´t respond to any crap reply to this statement.