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Originally posted by Alex Primitive understanding based on absolutely nothing but opinion and misinformation. Typical.

Sounds like religon to me.

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Sounds like religon to me.

2 atheists, same generic posts.

Boring

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Originally posted by Alex 2 atheists, same generic posts.

oh come on, i made a jeopardy joke which was perfect coz your name is alex!

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Originally posted by Alex I wish I could just say I didn't care what people think, but I do genuinely believe it and think it will help people. I guess it makes me an idiot to a lot of people (that I don't care about), yet I'll keep trying to point out the misconceptions people have and hopefully at the very least people will let the issue thaw out a little instead of the absolute nastiness and hate that gets thrown towards religion around here.

i dont think anyone here thinks youre an idiot alex

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Originally posted by Alex Insulting religion and Christianity by saying it's "Fantasy" or all the other names Richard Dawkins comes up with is proof to me that the Atheist is simply insecure in their position and feel the need to insult the other because they can't come up with anything worthwhile to say apart from "God doesn't exist, religion = violence" etc etc.

some might argue that calling a spade a spade is what is necessary after years of appeasement of, or subservience to, religious ideals. i dont think i could feel insecure about my lack of belief in god. its probably the only part of my belief system that poses no intellectual ambivalence.

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Originally posted by Alex It will be interesting to see what this generation has to say on their deathbeds.

its great you think i'll live so long but given my habits and lifestyle ive probably only got 30 years left, max :/

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Originally posted by Alex With 60-80 years still to go in life it's easy to be reassured by the prospect of becoming dust and nothing more, but give it a few decades and I wonder how comforting that idea will be when you're shitting yourself daily and waiting for it to be over.

the only idea that i find uncomfortable is that our societies will still be so steeped in christian thought-processes that euthanasia is but a european fantasy

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Originally posted by Alex It will be interesting to see what this generation has to say on their deathbeds. With 60-80 years still to go in life it's easy to be reassured by the prospect of becoming dust and nothing more, but give it a few decades and I wonder how comforting that idea will be when you're shitting yourself daily and waiting for it to be over.

Hahaha, there's a much more obvious reason why your prospects are better with senile old men than healthy, rational adults. It's a shame that it eludes you...

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Originally posted by Arbiter Hahaha, there's a much more obvious reason why your prospects are better with senile old men than healthy, rational adults. It's a shame that it eludes you...

It's a shame the obvious cynicism and sarcasm eluded you before you posted what you did.

Bravo sir!

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Originally posted by Aortik There is no God, but this doesn't stop people from pretending as such. If you think this is wrong, then keep in mind that the burden of proof has been upon you for thousands of years and you've only succeeded in providing reasons why nobody in their right mind should listen to you. Are you even aware of how silly you look? Don't roll your eyes at me, you look ridiculous.

Faith is personal and it shouldn't rely on convincing others - pentecostalism is not as common as many believe. In other words, I'm not going to try to convince you of anything - other than that I have the right to believe whatever I want without condemnation.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Faith is personal and it shouldn't rely on convincing others - pentecostalism is not as common as many believe. In other words, I'm not going to try to convince you of anything - other than that I have the right to believe whatever I want without condemnation.

are they condemned for believing or are they condemned for their actions?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN are they condemned for believing or are they condemned for their actions?

Condemnation is perhaps the wrong word, but it does get kind of annoying whenever a thread on religion crops up in here, as an army of atheists storms in saying "anyone who believes in God is stupid and represents everything wrong in the world" - especially when it's inevitably followed by someone pondering whether the world would be a better place without people who have faith in something other than what everyone can see as self-evident.

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hey, at least we're not killing anyone over it

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Faith is personal and it shouldn't rely on convincing others - pentecostalism is not as common as many believe. In other words, I'm not going to try to convince you of anything - other than that I have the right to believe whatever I want without condemnation.

Personal faith is all well and good, I don't really give a shit that people are open about their beliefs, it's their decision and I would be foolish to think it in my power to convince them otherwise.

But religion does not have to be vulgar and fanatic and extreme in order to have a drastic effect upon you and I. Christianity in America, for example, is an immense, tax-exempt organization that posesses no minor political leverage. It has seeped its way into our minds, ingraining a mode of thought in which hypocrisy is seeming inevitable. It is in our schools, in our oaths, on our money, in our names, our symbols, our neighbourhoods - there is, of course, a degree that must be allowed merely due to cultural transmission, but all of this is far, far beyond mere personal faith - it's become an institution, a business, and one so successful it has become an hegemony.

Yes, there is a degree where my grievances are merely bias and bitching over something I cannot change and do not have any personal stake in, but when any self-appraised "religion of peace" holds so much power, it has become taboo to even question its validity, it has become a force of violence, and all too often manifests itself as such.

Belief and religion have a lot to do with one another, but faith [belief] is a single thing - religion is merely the meme that has spawned from it.

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