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Originally posted by TranceOwnsLol Marcel Dettmann is living THE life that most techno DJs want to achieve at some point in their careers. Props to him for working his way to success.

Well said. What a goddam pimp.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's the same criticism that has been applied to minimal techno as a whole since, what, Internal Empire came out? This isn't really a club nostalgia-issue that applies specifically to Berlin. Ostgut and Berghain are simply techno clubs, and techno always has been the soundtrack to the hedonism of Germany's clubbing. Right now, the problem is the genre itself and its current stint with minimalism. Ostgut and Berghain merely reflect that (for instance, Andre Galluzzi used to bang out stuff like Alter Ego - Betty Ford and Taksi - Rohrbruch in 2002 or so).

i wasn't implying that berghain is the center of all techno music in the universe lol - since this article was about one guy, i limited my discussion to his surroundings.

the thing is, there seem to be actually a lot of people who DO believe that berghain is the techno center of the universe, who are only familiar with what they read on resident advisor, etc, and I've read countless blog posts etc about how dettmann is so 'foward thinking' and how berghain represents contemporary techno - basically I'm just saying, he's a good DJ, but you (not you, sand leaper) are kidding yourself if you think this is in any way contemporary or forward thinking

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Originally posted by nefardec interview is bland as fuck but he seems like a cool guy lol

yeah, RA interviews are weird. long paragraphs saying absolutely nothing but crap about how sounds turn into shapes or somethin'.

hahaha but yeah i really like what marcel dettmann said about dirt and techno.

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Originally posted by winston yeah, RA interviews are weird. long paragraphs saying absolutely nothing but crap about how sounds turn into shapes or somethin'. hahaha but yeah i really like what marcel dettmann said about dirt and techno.

well it was basically just like, what's up marcel, man i bet your life is awesome, and them marcel is like, 'yeah it's fucking awesome check out this record, ps i like smoking and sweat'

not too different than that interview jon stewart made fun of on cnbc where the interviewer asks the old guy "is it fun being a billionaire?" and the old guy is like 'yes, yes i must say it is fun!" LOL

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Originally posted by nefardec well it was basically just like, what's up marcel, man i bet your life is awesome, and them marcel is like, 'yeah it's fucking awesome check out this record, ps i like smoking and sweat'

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Originally posted by nefardec well it was basically just like, what's up marcel, man i bet your life is awesome, and them marcel is like, 'yeah it's fucking awesome check out this record, ps i like smoking and sweat' not too different than that interview jon stewart made fun of on cnbc where the interviewer asks the old guy "is it fun being a billionaire?" and the old guy is like 'yes, yes i must say it is fun!" LOL

I believe that person in the CNBC interview was later indited for running a ponzie scheme. Maybe an impertinent thought, unless you want to read between the subconscious lines.

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Originally posted by nefardec the thing is, there seem to be actually a lot of people who DO believe that berghain is the techno center of the universe, who are only familiar with what they read on resident advisor, etc, and I've read countless blog posts etc about how dettmann is so 'foward thinking' and how berghain represents contemporary techno - basically I'm just saying, he's a good DJ, but you (not you, sand leaper) are kidding yourself if you think this is in any way contemporary or forward thinking

I'm sure that's true, but while I don't know what exactly you mean by "contemporary", going by a dictionary....

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1. existing, occurring, or living at the same time; belonging to the same time: Newton's discovery of the calculus was contemporary with that of Leibniz. 2. of about the same age or date: a Georgian table with a contemporary wig stand. 3. of the present time; modern: a lecture on the contemporary novel.

...Dettman and Berghain most certainly represent contemporary techno, lacking in innovation or not.

In any case, my point is that cult followings for clubs and DJs have far less to do with music than a region's clubbing culture. So the next time the Berlin-hype pops up, you can be pretty sure that the majority stems from people caught up in its hedonism rather than people impressed by the music played there.

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Originally posted by nefardec well it was basically just like, what's up marcel, man i bet your life is awesome, and them marcel is like, 'yeah it's fucking awesome check out this record, ps i like smoking and sweat' not too different than that interview jon stewart made fun of on cnbc where the interviewer asks the old guy "is it fun being a billionaire?" and the old guy is like 'yes, yes i must say it is fun!" LOL

Was that on last night or the night before? Either way, I almost died laughing.