quote:

Originally posted by Sentinal we earn good money cause we put up with a lot of shit. Ppl on the bus and off. Drivers are incredibly inconsiderate of buses It's bad here in mississauga so I can only imagine how bad the TTC boys have it. I get about 65000 a year and I deserve every penny of it.

quote:

Originally posted by waynoinsano your retarded. have you ever tried driving something for a living, all god dam day. you think bus drivers might occasionally drive poorly, have you ever seen the way the rest of the fucking people on the road drive? you think boxing someone in a glass cage would make their job easier, or subtract from the amount of shit they put up with?

You call this an argument?

I don't give a shit about the drivers on the road being "inconsiderate,"--they are not being paid to professionally drive for a living--you are.

I also don't give a rats-ass about all the "shit" you deal with--by that logic we should be paying telemarketers a six figure salary; I'm certain they also put up with a lot of "shit."

Anybody with an IQ just north of a bedroom slipper can sit on his or her ass and collect tickets. The collectors are grossly overpaid; you cannot deny the lack of efficiency that has become the hallmark of the TTC.

quote:

Originally posted by Sentinal I would challenge ANYONE to try it for a day and then ask if we deserve what we get.

Oh, stop it, you’re breaking my heart. You’re not a soldier fighting in a war--you're a god-damn bus driver--please spare me the melodramatics. If your working conditions are causing you emotional distress then I suggest you find a new job, but it's entirely illogical to use this as a justification for your overcompensation.

Hell yeah.. I can't work for TTC
I've talked to a few TTC drivers that have made over 100k a year and they all work 75 hours a week every week.

quote:

Originally posted by Sentinal Those drivers mustve worked a crapload of o/t because TTC only get about 20 cents more and hour than we do

I'm positive TTC makes significantly less than Mississauga transit (you and I had a brief discussion about their wages awhile back) but they both definitely make a good wage

___________________
kotsy.ca | maximum drums (podcast) | facebook

Download my latest podcast or go to hell

quote:

Originally posted by Sentinal But I have to make split second choices countless number of times a day. And if I make a mistake, ppl get hurt or could even be killed. That is why I beleive we deserve what we are paid.

Fair enough. I would add, though, that I don't think the comments were really referring to the people like you. Ignoring the booth workers for the moment, imagine yourself working constant 65-hour weeks behind the wheel; would you trust yourself to be making all of those same split-second decisions?

65 kbones is not an unusual salary for a mainstream career, but 110 is. Even taking overtime into account, there's something just not right with that number.

___________________
My party schedule:
2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

quote:

Originally posted by evil_cookie You call this an argument? I don't give a shit about the drivers on the road being "inconsiderate,"--they are not being paid to professionally drive for a living--you are. I also don't give a rats-ass about all the "shit" you deal with--by that logic we should be paying telemarketers a six figure salary; I'm certain they also put up with a lot of "shit." Anybody with an IQ just north of a bedroom slipper can sit on his or her ass and collect tickets. The collectors are grossly overpaid; you cannot deny the lack of efficiency that has become the hallmark of the TTC. Oh, stop it, you’re breaking my heart. You’re not a soldier fighting in a war--you're a god-damn bus driver--please spare me the melodramatics. If your working conditions are causing you emotional distress then I suggest you find a new job, but it's entirely illogical to use this as a justification for your overcompensation.

funny you should mention it, i worked in a call centre before I was hired with MT. The other drivers make our job harzadous is what I was saying. But since you obviously have no idea what kind of responcibility we have and simply dont appriciate what we do everyday I'm going to simply ignore your comments from here on in.

I would really love to see you try and do what I do everyday. Thats like saying a cop doesnt deserve a good job because 85% of their job is writing tickets and doing paperwork. Different anology but same idea, we deal with the public, most of which dispise us, and we have to deal with them while trying to help them at the same time.

quote:

Originally posted by kotsy Hell yeah.. I can't work for TTC I've talked to a few TTC drivers that have made over 100k a year and they all work 75 hours a week every week. I'm positive TTC makes significantly less than Mississauga transit (you and I had a brief discussion about their wages awhile back) but they both definitely make a good wage

They did, but their chapter of ATU pushed for slightly higher wages than ours. And they deserve it.we make 27.57 an hour. They are right around 28.00

The guy that made $117k

theres a little trick. you work as a part-timer and do 25 hours regular pay. Pack on 35 hours of overtime on your off-days

60 hours a week is legal limit for drivers.
So the guy is doing the work of 2 full drivers for the exact same pay plus the company gives out zero benefits on it. It's a win-win for everyone except the unemployed guy who has no job because buddy is working 2.

quote:

Originally posted by kotsy I've talked to a few TTC drivers that have made over 100k a year and they all work 75 hours a week every week.

That's wrong though. Overtime is pegged at time-and-a-half on the basis that it's something people don't want to, but are required by their employers to do. If an employee's overtime pay is as much as or more than his base salary, then it means you're short-staffed. It would be less expensive, and less dangerous, to just hire and train another driver. As Alex said, there seems to be a management problem here.

Overtime pay isn't supposed to be an incentive for employees to work more hours, it's supposed to be an incentive against employers having no respect for workers' personal lives. No private sector business would ever allow an employee to regularly work such long hours. For a couple of weeks maybe, sure, but after that they would almost certainly try to settle it up with vacation time or something.

quote:

Originally posted by Pett It's a win-win for everyone except the unemployed guy who has no job because buddy is working 2.

...and except for the passengers riding with a driver who's way, way too tired and stressed out to be making the best decisions on the road. IMO.

And reading over this again, WTF? Part-timers who are working full-time hours should automatically be converted to full-time employees. That's not a trick, it's borderline fraud.

___________________
My party schedule:
2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

quote:

Originally posted by Pett The guy that made $117k theres a little trick. you work as a part-timer and do 25 hours regular pay. Pack on 35 hours of overtime on your off-days 60 hours a week is legal limit for drivers. So the guy is doing the work of 2 full drivers for the exact same pay plus the company gives out zero benefits on it. It's a win-win for everyone except the unemployed guy who has no job because buddy is working 2.

something else to remember too guys. o/t is simply calculated by hour worked. if we work on a sunday it is 1.5 pay and holidays is 2.5 regular pay. so that signifgantly increases our wages.

quote:

Pay and Benefits: The TTC offers competitive wages and benefits including: Healthcare and Dental plans, Group Life Insurance and a Pension Plan. As per the Local 113 ATU Collective Agreement, the hourly wage rate for this opportunity is $20.66 (rate after training) to $27.38 (rate after 24 months).

http://www3.ttc.ca/Jobs/transit_ope...recruitment.jsp

___________________
Deviant Art - Smuncky
My Photos on Flickr
If anyone wants to share their clubbing/nightlife pics go to Toronto Nightlife
"The best car-related innovation we have is not to improve the car, but eliminate the need to drive it everywhere we go.” -Alex Steffen

wow you guys get a serious Sunday premium

quote:

Originally posted by smuncky http://www3.ttc.ca/Jobs/transit_ope...recruitment.jsp

they pay hike is effective in october, I should've mentioned that. It's part of their collective bargaining agreement.