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jerZ07002
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i know, now. i just watched the entire conference in context. she was making distinctions between adjudicating in a district court determining the outcome of the individual from determining the outcome of the law as it stands against legal precedent in an appealate decision.



that's why i don't like those you tube clips. Everything gets taken out of context.

Essentially you have the concept correct. It's pretty important to note that Appellate courts do not decide facts. The factual basis for any case is decided in the district court. She said policy is determined at the appellate level because that is where most of the law is interpreted, thus, where our laws are really developed. As she said, she probably should not have said that though.

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ashley, do you really think alqaeda would be having their conversations in a chat messenger system in English, open to any western teenager? There has always been antiamerican sentiment from the Islamic world, and the idea of flying planes into buildings was around well before the event took place. Realistically it was a chatroom of disenfranchised arab-americans/canadians talkin a bunch of smack.

If you were in anyway connected so blatantly to al qaeda figures , you would have been taken in to custody around september 12, 2001.

I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just trying to help you realize the intesity of the claim you are making with this specific point about 9/11.

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Historic nomination: Hispanic Sotomayor as justice

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WASHINGTON � Reaching for history, President Barack Obama on Tuesday chose federal appeals judge Sonia Sotomayor to be the first Hispanic justice on the Supreme Court, championing her as a compassionate, seasoned jurist whose against-the-odds life journey affirms the American dream. Republicans who will decide whether to make a fight of her confirmation said they want thorough hearings.

However, defeating Sotomayor would be difficult in the heavily Democratic Senate, and even a major effort to block her confirmation could be risky for a party still reeling from last year's elections. Hispanics are the fastest-growing part of the population and increasingly active politically.

Obama, eager to begin putting his imprint on the court, beamed as he introduced Sotomayor as a judge who displays both an impressive mind and heart, a jurist who takes on cases with "an understanding of how the world works and how ordinary people live." He raved about her credentials, saying she would start on the job with more experience on the bench than any of the current nine justices had when they began.

The White House tableau itself was history: A black president and his white vice president, Joe Biden, striding onto a stage in the ornate East Room with the nominee who grew up in a New York housing project where her parents had moved from Puerto Rico.

At 54, Sotomayor (pronounced soh-toh-my-YOR'), would join Ruth Bader Ginsburg as the second woman on the court and just the third in its history. She would replace liberal Justice David Souter, thereby maintaining the court's ideological divide. A number of important cases have been divided by 5-4 majorities, with conservative- and liberal-leaning justices split 4-4 and Justice Anthony Kennedy providing the decisive vote.

Senate Republicans pledged to give her a fair hearing but cautioned they would question her rigorously and not be rushed. The president, whose approval ratings trump those of Congress, challenged the Senate to move swiftly and confirm her before Congress' August break. The Supreme Court begins its new term in October.

Democrats hold 59 votes in the Senate, more than enough to confirm Sotomayor but not quite enough to stop a vote-blocking filibuster if Republicans should attempt one.

The top Senate Republican, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said: "We will thoroughly examine her record to ensure she understands that the role of a jurist in our democracy is to apply the law evenhandedly, despite their own feelings or personal or political preferences."

In one of her most notable decisions as an appellate judge, she sided last year with the city of New Haven, Conn., in a discrimination case brought by white firefighters. The city threw out results of a promotion exam because too few minorities scored high enough. Coincidentally, that case is now before the Supreme Court.

Her ruling had already drawn criticism from conservatives and is likely to play a role in her confirmation hearing.

Still, seven of the Senate's current Republicans voted to confirm her for the appeals court in 1998, and she was first nominated to be a federal judge by Republican President George H.W. Bush.

Born in the South Bronx, Sotomayor lost her father at a young age and watched her mother work two jobs to provide for her and her brother. Her path has soared ever since: Princeton University and Yale Law School, then positions as a commercial litigator, federal district judge and appellate judge.

"What you've shown in your life is that it doesn't matter where you come from, what you look like or what challenges life throws your way," Obama said Sotomayor stood at his side at a packed White House event. "No dream is beyond reach in the United States of America."

Said the nominee: "I am an ordinary person who has been blessed with extraordinary opportunities and experiences."

Obama's selection was not just about the next justice but also the new president.

He had not met Sotomayor until he interviewed her last Thursday at the White House. She was the only one of the four finalists he did not know. But in addition to her other qualifications, she offered a politically attractive background and appealing narrative.

Justices on the nine-member court receive lifetime appointments and can have a profound influence on daily life. Sotomayor would be a new voice on the cases that often reflect divisions in the broader society, including national security, abortion, gay rights and privacy.

Even before she was nominated, conservative activists were describing her as a judicial activist who would put feelings above the Constitution.

Sotomayor seemed to take the matter head on. She said the rule of law is the foundation of all basic rights and the principles set forth by the Founding Fathers endure. "Those principles," she said at the White House, "are as meaningful and relevant in each generation as the generation before."

The nomination of the woman who would be the first Hispanic justice comes with the United States on a population path that will see minorities become the majority, and Hispanic leaders saw Tuesday's nomination as significant.

"We are reaching a certain level politically and socially, and this is being recognized by the administration," said Gabriela Lemus of the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement.

As a kid in New York's South Bronx, Sotomayor had to deal with diabetes but dreamed of a career in law, inspired by reading Nancy Drew books and watching "Perry Mason" on TV.

"Although I grew up in very modest and challenging circumstances, I consider my life to be immeasurably rich," said Sotomayor, who smiled broadly as she introduced her mother, Celina, in the front row. The nominee is divorced with no children.

Yet it is her written and spoken opinions, not her compelling life story, that are likely to shape the tone of her confirmation consideration in the Senate.

Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, said he had talked with Obama and Sotomayor Tuesday and assured them she would be treated fairly. "I'd like it to be a hearing that people can be proud of," he said.

In one of her most memorable rulings as federal district judge, in 1995, Sotomayor ruled with Major League Baseball players over owners in a labor strike that had led to the cancellation of the World Series. "Some say that Judge Sotomayor saved baseball," Obama said.

She became a federal judge for the Southern District of New York in 1992, then an appeals judge in 1998 for the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers New York, Vermont and Connecticut.

Obama chose her over three other finalists: federal appellate judge Diane Wood, Solicitor General Elena Kagan and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Obama interviewed all of them, too, last week. He decided on Sotomayor at about 8 p.m. Monday and telephoned her with the good news.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama never questioned Sotomayor specifically about abortion, often a flash-point topic for court nominees.

Obama came to office at a time when several potential vacancies loomed on the high court. Justice John Paul Stevens is 89, and Ginsburg recently underwent surgery for pancreatic cancer.

Sotomayor has spoken about her pride in her ethnic background and has said that personal experiences "affect the facts that judges choose to see."

"I simply do not know exactly what the difference will be in my judging," she said in a speech in 2001. "But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage."


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wow, real life is becoming eerily similar to the west wing...


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Q5echo
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wow, real life is becoming eerily similar to the west wing...


you get The West Wing down there?

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pkcRAISTLIN
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you get The West Wing down there?


Hahahaha. Australia is just like a smaller version of the US you know. Smaller, smarter, less hung up about sex, religion and homos. We have shit tv tho, which is why we beam in all the great stuff from your cuntry


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The17sss
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I'm going to give my obligatory 2 cents here that I'm sure you all know is coming. In case some of you aren't aware, in 2002 (or 2001.. can't remember), she told the students of UC Berkely that in fact, color and gender DO matter in terms of qualified public service:

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�I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion as a judge than a white male who hasn�t lived that life.�


I think it sets a dangerous precident to have a judge who may be more interested in outcomes than the law. The reason race and gender shouldn't matter at all is because judges should apply the law, not their "life experiences" or their "empathy" for specific outcomes. Why not run for Congress where policy gets made, rather than doing it from the bench? And don't think I'm just spewing nonsense. In 2005 she clearly admitted to the Duke University law school that she belives policy is and should be made from the bench:

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Um, all of the legal defense funds out there, um, they�re looking for people out there with court of appeals experience, because court of appeals is where policy is made. And I know, I know this is on tape and I should never say that because we don�t make law, I know. Um, um � [laughter] � I know. I�m not promoting it, I�m not advocating it, and, I�m � you know. [laughter]


Incredible. She's not even trying to hide it. If you watch the video you can clearly see the tongue-in-cheek style of those comments. You know the statue of the woman holding 2 scales and wearing a blindfold? Well, this woman makes decisions with the blindfold off.

And the lying has already begun from Sotomayor's spokesperson, Claire McKaskill. First, this morning in an interview on Fox she extolled the idea that Sotomayor will be the first Supreme Court Justice who grew up in poverty and overcame hardships. WRONG. Clarence Thomas grew up in abject poverty, BEFORE public housing existed and seemed to do pretty well for himself.

Then, the foot went strait in the mouth while being interviewed by Jane Skinner:

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MCCASKILL: I don�t think we should make this judge accountable for what other people have said. She has 400 published opinions, she has three decades in the law as a courtroom prosecutor, and �

SKINNER: Hold on [crosstalk]. I�m sorry, Senator, I just want to make this clear to our viewers. That�s what she said. I was reading a quote from her.

MCCASKILL: Oh, I [dropout] about her.

SKINNER: No, no, no. She made the statement, �I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences� � referring to herself, I assume � �would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn�t lived that life.� Now Megyn Kelly earlier brought up the point to one of our guests; if a white man who was a nominee had said that, he would not have been confirmed, most likely.

MCCASKILL: I, I, I, you know, I think we need to get this context of those comments.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...experience.html

OOOPS!! Might want to find a better prepared spokesperson.

The point is well brought up by Stuart Taylor of the NY Times... would her comment about race/gender/identity politics be buried if Samuel Alito said the following?
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So accustomed have we become to identity politics that it barely causes a ripple when a highly touted Supreme Court candidate, who sits on the federal Appeals Court in New York, has seriously suggested that Latina women like her make better judges than white males.

Indeed, unless Sotomayor believes that Latina women also make better judges than Latino men, and also better than African-American men and women, her basic proposition seems to be that white males (with some exceptions, she noted) are inferior to all other groups in the qualities that make for a good jurist.

Any prominent white male would be instantly and properly banished from polite society as a racist and a sexist for making an analogous claim of ethnic and gender superiority or inferiority.

Imagine the reaction if someone had unearthed in 2005 a speech in which then-Judge Samuel Alito had asserted, for example: �I would hope that a white male with the richness of his traditional American values would reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn�t lived that life� � and had proceeded to speak of �inherent physiological or cultural differences.�


"The Supreme Court has reversed Judge Sotomayor in six instances where it granted certiorari to review an opinion she authored. In three of these reversals, the Court held that Judge Sotomayor erred in her statutory interpretation"... meaning she F'd up on the law. She was overturned six times when she wrote the lead opinion, and in three of the six cases the Supreme Court held that she erred in her statutory interpretation. Sweet!
http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Sonia_Sotomayor

But identity politics is the name of the game now. Smart move though... would the GOP dare block the 1st Hispanic Woman justice? *gasp* Funny thing is, she accomplished great things during the Regan and Bush years... you know, the time when evil Republicans were holding down the minorities in the unjust, pre-Obama era.

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"meaning she f'ed up on the law"

Not really. Not even close.

Her record in this respect is considered very good. Meaning that EVERY SINGLE APPEALS COURT JUDGE has cases go to the Supreme Court. It's the nature of the job. 6 reversals out of how many? In addition it's not like all of her opinions were flat out rejected. Some cases were sent back to other courts. I think that technically only 3 of her rulings were overturned.

If anything, these quotes are very refreshing. Who actually thinks that a supreme court justice nomination does not have politics in play? And she is a bit sarcastic in terms of the appeals court "making policy." She does not say it should be that way, she is commenting on the environment.

The other quotes, they're old? They are not the most flattering. I guess a supreme court justice should be flat out perfect?

Compared to people like John Roberts, she seems very gregarious and down to earth. Does these quotes mean something that significant? No. It's not as if she has some long history of racism. How about the other 20 plus years of her career -- and the focus is on 1 quote?

Absurd.


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if The17sss is rabidly against her then i take that as a good sign.


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jerZ07002
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Hahahaha. Australia is just like a smaller version of the US you know. Smaller, smarter, less hung up about sex, religion and homos. We have shit tv tho, which is why we beam in all the great stuff from your cuntry



i met an australian girl a few years back who took great exception to being compared to an american. i simply told the bitch that most australians i met were, with the exception of the accent, almost indistinguishable from californians.


as for australians being smarter:




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I enjoy being the little nation out of the 3 anglo ones. We get the best of both (parliament system anyone?, no royal family!) and avoid some of the shittier aspects (christianity run wild, soccer hooliganism).

sorry, am at work and cant watch the youtubes. but ill simply retort with that segment from our comedy program CNNNN, full of wonderful yanks and their great geographical knowledge


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if The17sss is rabidly against her then i take that as a good sign.


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