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| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
Ohhh so the mystics said it. What makes them anymore correct than the christians, or jews, or what have you?
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because jesus, moses, mohammed, etc were mystics, lol. that's what christianity, judaism, etc were based on. the teachings of christ say to be like christ - the message is that every person should strive to be a mystic, to experience god directly for himself, within himself.
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
While I agree mostly with everything you've said, and I find myself siding with you, I just think that this particular statement is just another "stratifying" of belief that you protested initially in this thread. Your views are a little more open ended, but am I wrong in thinking that you're doing the exact same thing?
You're implying that people who are atheists (and people who are classified as religious for that matter) are essentially too dimwitted to understand what seems to have enlightened you. The whole idea that only a select group of people (esotericism) have gotten the idea of a "god" correct is exactly what makes up the different religious views of god, it's only being stated in a different way, or am I wrong?
I'm truly wondering if my opinion of what you said is close to what you actually meant.. I guess. I don't really ever engage in these discussions because I don't think I could actually argue at your level, I'll probably get shot down right now with you're reply post which will most likely be peppered with quotes from texts, etc. :P
I don't think I'm an atheist but I don't think I'm very religious either, at least in the true sense of the word. My views are basically that life, essence, creativity, whatever you want to call it, means something more than just what we perceive or feel. I think there are things out there we as human beings can't possibly understand. Whether that makes sense or not I don't know, I just like to think of it in that way. One thing I do not believe in is a god that follows anything remotely close to the constructs of most religion, so we seem to agree on that, or maybe not.
Maybe that's how a "simpleton" views the world, I'm sure you'll enlighten me. |
i did not claim to be personally enlightened - i don't know why you are making this so personal.
i only made the claim that people who are not skeptical of their own beliefs, whether atheists or not, are deluded.
if you think i am stratified or secure in my personal beliefs, then you are presuming and are very mistaken. i have no such delusion (at least not for long!) - it's a constant learning experience for me as much as anyone else.
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