ok... good soundcards are fucking important whether u use hardware or not, its not only about latency, actualy its least about latency, its about the digital to audio converting and how clear/flat/dynamic/noisefree/wide/open that can be so ur able to actualy monitor right whatever ur making. an inboard soundcard cant even produce bass! i know ive suffered a few month with onboard audio recently as my soundcard was at service.

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Originally posted by palm ok... good soundcards are fucking important whether u use hardware or not, its not only about latency, actualy its least about latency, its about the digital to audio converting and how clear/flat/dynamic/noisefree/wide/open that can be so ur able to actualy monitor right whatever ur making. an inboard soundcard cant even produce bass! i know ive suffered a few month with onboard audio recently as my soundcard was at service.

All of that you mentioned is handled by my CPU. Not the sound card. All the sound card does is transfer audio information from the CPU to the speakers. Its 100% about latency. Believe it or not you can actually produce with FLStudio on a PC with no sound. Because Ive used a PC with no sound card or chip, to render an mp3 from an .flp and transfer it to the net.

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Originally posted by cronodevir It is what most people use. Most people don't/won't spend money on all the hardware, so they get the software from bitorrent or where ever and just use what they got. Most people who do it don't make quality music.

You aren't really helping your credibility by using this demograph to support your argument in a production related topic. Do you not think it is somewhat strange how every producer in every genre that has even moderate success does not follow your latency guidelines and they sure don't use their onboard soundcard 99.9% of the time.

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Originally posted by cronodevir All of that you mentioned is handled by my CPU. Not the sound card. All the sound card does is transfer audio information from the CPU to the speakers.

"Transferring audio information from CPU to speakers" is digital to analog conversion, which is one of the things palm mentioned in his paragraph -- except he incorrectly called it "digital to audio" conversion.

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Originally posted by RichieV You aren't really helping your credibility by using this demograph to support your argument in a production related topic. Do you not think it is somewhat strange how every producer in every genre that has even moderate success does not follow your latency guidelines and they sure don't use their onboard soundcard 99.9% of the time.

But your just guessing that. You don't know that is the case. I do not recall any study done that provides evidence to that claim. But based on how things actually work, its not inconceivable that you or I are correct. Of course, we can't both be correct.

Most producers probably use a laptop as their DAW. And I have never heard of laptop sound devices that were not on board the mother board.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "Transferring audio information from CPU to speakers" is digital to analog conversion, which is one of the things palm mentioned in his paragraph -- except he incorrectly called it "digital to audio" conversion.

Ok? I said that sound card does that too. That means me an Palm are in agreement.

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Last edited by cronodevir on May-14-2009 at 22:22

also a soundcard takes an analog signal and converts it to digital

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Originally posted by cronodevir Ok? I said that sound card does that too. That means me an Palm are in agreement.

You said that all the stuff in palm's paragraph was "handled by the CPU." DAC is not handled by the CPU, so your statement was simply wrong.

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd also a soundcard takes an analog signal and converts it to digital

Yeah, but that's irrelevant, remember, because everybody uses software alone and never has to get any sound from external sources into the computer, right?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles You said that all the stuff in palm's paragraph was "handled by the CPU." DAC is not handled by the CPU, so your statement was simply wrong.

No DAC isn't the only thing palm mentioned, and I specified that. You are wrong.

Also, so now people only use software, interesting. Its amazing the stuff you guys come up with.

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i mentioned DAC+latency, and I also mentioned that latency is not the main goal of a good soundcard, but the DAC (and for some the ADC).

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Originally posted by cronodevir Also, so now people only use software, interesting. Its amazing the stuff you guys come up with.

Hey, it was your idea that high latency was irrelevant because nobody uses hardware anymore.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Hey, it was your idea that high latency was irrelevant because nobody uses hardware anymore.

I never said that. Nor implied it.

DAC and Latency are the same issue here. How well the DAC is depends on the latency. High latency is obviously better.

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